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[W:98]A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In

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Kal'Stang said:
Guy is obviously a douche.

Now, here's where I am going to get flak as per the norm.

Nothing in the picture is showing that this guy was advertising Regional One Health in any way. Is their justification for firing him simply because he's racist? Is that really the precedent that we want to set? Do we really want Corporations to be determining what can and can't be said? Who's next? If he had been advertising them in some way shape or form I could understand the firing. But he wasn't.
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Considering that the Confederate flag and noose are a pretty clear reference to the KKK—- a domestic terrorist group—- nobody is obligated to continue employing such an individual.
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Another example of people WANTING to see racism where there is no racism. Hanging as a method of capitol punishment was accepted in America for a long time. I see the shirt as promoting the death penalty. I see nothing on the shirt that points to any particular race.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there. I remember what they said that calling Obama a socialist was racist. They said that on MSNBC all the time. Now half the Dems call themselves socialists.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there.
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The Confederacy was a virulently racist regime which explicitly went to war to preserve slavery.

The lynching of innocent people by domestic terrorists—- the “justice” this individual is celebrating—- was extremely common in Mississippi.

I get that you are desperate to defend this idiot, but the simple fact is that your weak excuses don’t work.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I understand an employer protecting its name. Which is why I said "If he had been advertising them in some way shape or form I could understand the firing." But there is no indication that he did so. Which means that they had nothing to protect because he was not associating his message with theirs. He was at the voting booth. Where people literally go to express their political opinions.
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They were protecting their name, reputation, and indicating their unwillingness to employ someone who proudly displays VIOLENTLY RACIST rhetoric in public.

And it doesn't matter he didn't advertise his employer - he wore the shirt, his picture went viral, he was identified along with his place of employment. So whether he wanted to or not, he was at that point associated with the hospital. That left the hospital with two options - effectively endorse that violently message as OK for one of their employees, or fire his racist ass, and they chose the latter.
 
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AlphaOmega said:
They let other people see how you are voting in Miss? No privacy? Secondly how tall was the person who took this pic?
Lastly, they allow people to not only watch your vote but take pictures of you in the process as well? Seems this guy has a lawsuit against his town for infringing upon his constitutional right to vote.
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There are other pictures from a distance that indicate this wasn't him voting, but doing something at the registration desk. We use the same system I think and the printer next to the screen is where the worker prints out a 'receipt' with a code you input into the voting machine.

TL/dr he's not voting.
 
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holbritter said:
I was thinking the same. I get that the shirt is just plain wrong, but unless the guy is at a job related function wearing it (tying him to that employer) what he wears when he is not working shouldn't be the employer's business. And certainly not something to lose your job over.
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He was tied to his employer through the news - that's what happened. The hospital can't undo what was done.

He's free to speak, and suffer the consequences of violent, racist speech. When he shows up in public with that t-shirt, he's telling everyone who will listen, "I'm a racist, who approves of the lynchings in Mississippi during the Jim Crow era." No employer has any obligation to keep such a person on staff.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
So "shut up unless what you say is agreeable"? Is that what you're saying?
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What he said wasn't just "disagreeable." He was approvingly displaying a message of racism enforced with deadly violence, terrorist acts directed at blacks for being black.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
This is also a privately run site. Not in a public venue.
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And his employer is private.
 
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JasperL said:
Headline: A Mississippi Man Lost His Nursing Job After He Wore A Violently Racist Shirt To Vote In The Midterms

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/mississippi-racist-shirt-vote-viral-photo

I saw this on election day. Some people had identified him as a poll worker, which wasn't true, but it's a helluva shirt to wear out on election day to cast your vote.

If anyone needs to know why the "Confederate" flag carries its bad reputation, look at the picture below. He might as well be wearing a white robe. Good to see his employer didn't put up with it.

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Yeah, "free speech" is only for Antifa and Jim Acosta. :roll:
 
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holbritter said:
I was thinking the same. I get that the shirt is just plain wrong, but unless the guy is at a job related function wearing it (tying him to that employer) what he wears when he is not working shouldn't be the employer's business. And certainly not something to lose your job over.
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The unfortunate aspect is

The man and the shirt are/was associated with his place of work. The bad publicity of being associated with a probable racist douche could cost that company money, either directly or in goodwill. The company wants to protect itself both financially and in public image and decided to let him go

Just as the woman who gave the finger to Trumps motorcade, the baseball fan in Toronto who threw a beer at a player etc.

We live in world in which anything we do in public, could be reported on, put on the web. We all have to remember if we do stupid crap in public, there is a strong chance now that it will bite us in the back. Either through friends, family, or our work finding out and reacting accordingly
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Another example of people WANTING to see racism where there is no racism. Hanging as a method of capitol punishment was accepted in America for a long time. I see the shirt as promoting the death penalty. I see nothing on the shirt that points to any particular race.
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He's wearing the banner of white supremacists fighting Jim Crow in the civil rights era. When they chose that flag as their banner, and they did, they forever linked white supremacist views with that banner.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there. I remember what they said that calling Obama a socialist was racist. They said that on MSNBC all the time. Now half the Dems call themselves socialists.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there.
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Well, wearing a shirt with a confederate flag, a noose, and "Mississippi Justice" is not even a dog whistle - it's a bull horn harking approvingly back to the days whites lynched blacks in Mississippi with impunity.
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Another example of people WANTING to see racism where there is no racism. Hanging as a method of capitol punishment was accepted in America for a long time. I see the shirt as promoting the death penalty. I see nothing on the shirt that points to any particular race.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there. I remember what they said that calling Obama a socialist was racist. They said that on MSNBC all the time. Now half the Dems call themselves socialists.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there.
TrumpTrain said:
Continuing from my last post (quoted): Is this the America you want to live in, where your life is destroyed by saying something or wearing a t-shirt that says something? Doesn't anybody see that THIS is the new fascism, and not the false made up fascism attributed to Trump? You liberals are creating a nightmare nation for your kids and grandkids.
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Amelia said:
You don't think black patients have a right to nursing care from someone who doesn't give them explicit reason to fear that the provider holds ill will toward them?.........
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What sort of gobbldeygook ignorant response is that!!!
I am saying: Do you want to live in an America where you are destroyed just because you make a statement that someone does not like? Apparently YOU DO. Well go move to friggin' N. Korea then, and let the rest of us live in freedom!!
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Continuing from my last post (quoted): Is this the America you want to live in, where your life is destroyed by saying something or wearing a t-shirt that says something? Doesn't anybody see that THIS is the new fascism, and not the false made up fascism attributed to Trump? You liberals are creating a nightmare nation for your kids and grandkids.
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He's free to express violent, racist views, and with that freedom comes consequences. He found out that many employers don't particularly want people who approvingly speak about violent racism (a form of terrorism, actually) on their staff. Too bad for him.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
I mean I hear you, but seeing as I'm a free market capitalist I view private employers as having the at-will right to terminate employees for any reason, unless he has a union contract (highly unlikely in Miss) I don't see why his firing is wrong.

Also, if he works somewhere where there's a lot of minority employees and this is known in the work place, it can create a bad work environment that's a distraction to the objectives of the organization.
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These sorts of things just reinforce the message that employees are owned by their employer. Employers shouldn’t be allowed to regulate what people do uncompensated and off the clock as a condition of employment.
 
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apdst said:
I know what the point is. My point, is that anyone who believes that doesn't believe is freedom and liberty.
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That's nonsense. This dumbass has every right to be a racist and to approvingly express violently racist views. What he does not have is a right for his employer to keep a dumbass racist on their staff.
 
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rocket88 said:
Yeah...I kind of see the point there. But why would you wear that in a public setting? I can also see the employer's POV that they want nothing to do with it. If he's in a public facing position, they don't want him to be recognized.
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Because he's an asshole! And yes, if he's in a public facing position, that's different.
 
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JasperL said:
That's nonsense. This dumbass has every right to be a racist and to approvingly express violently racist views. What he does not have is a right for his employer to keep a dumbass racist on their staff.
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I never said otherwise. I'm referring what's right, not what is a right.
 
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JasperL said:
He was tied to his employer through the news - that's what happened. The hospital can't undo what was done.

He's free to speak, and suffer the consequences of violent, racist speech. When he shows up in public with that t-shirt, he's telling everyone who will listen, "I'm a racist, who approves of the lynchings in Mississippi during the Jim Crow era." No employer has any obligation to keep such a person on staff.
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No they don't have an 'obligation'. I'm betting he wasn't one of their stellar employees to begin with.
 
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apdst said:
It's all protected speech. Thank you for proving that you believe that only speech you agree with should be protected.
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It's all protected from punishment under the law.

As for your NFL canard, the owners clearly decided to tolerate it so that they could continue to put a good product on the field. They got their scapegoat and moved on.
 
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Bullseye said:
Yeah, "free speech" is only for Antifa and Jim Acosta. :roll:
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Who knew the Constitutional right to "free speech" means you can say any damn thing you want and the government will guarantee that you never suffer any negative consequences for that speech?
 
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HenryChinaski said:
If I say or portray certain things on social media or in public while off the clock that are counterintuitive to my employers values, vision and brand they can terminate me. And that is a reasonable position from a business standpoint.
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Again, I never said otherwise.
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Another example of people WANTING to see racism where there is no racism. Hanging as a method of capitol punishment was accepted in America for a long time. I see the shirt as promoting the death penalty. I see nothing on the shirt that points to any particular race.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there. I remember what they said that calling Obama a socialist was racist. They said that on MSNBC all the time. Now half the Dems call themselves socialists.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there.
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You can't be serious. I'm one that is critical of everything being considered racist, but this is, without a doubt, racist.
 
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TrumpTrain said:
Another example of people WANTING to see racism where there is no racism. Hanging as a method of capitol punishment was accepted in America for a long time. I see the shirt as promoting the death penalty. I see nothing on the shirt that points to any particular race.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there. I remember what they said that calling Obama a socialist was racist. They said that on MSNBC all the time. Now half the Dems call themselves socialists.

This is the racism of the Left, see race everywhere even when it is not there.
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Of course there's no history of lynchings in the South....

They haven't used hanging in capital punishment for a long time. So unless that's a really old shirt, that's not what it's promoting.
 
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ElChupacabra said:
No, because that's not realistic. There are all sorts of limits to what we can say or do which are either defined legally or through societal norms. So in the case of the OP, do you think the company has no right to pick people who they feel best represent the values of the company? When you choose to publicly display your views, it is your right, but what you seem to be asking for is that others accept it and not react to them. That doesn't sound like freedom at all.
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Accept it? No. But, to an extent, everyone does have to tolerate it and reactions are indeed limited.
 
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apdst said:
I never said otherwise. I'm referring what's right, not what is a right.
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OK, on your terms, why would any employer voluntarily hire someone who speaks approvingly of the domestic terrorism of white supremacists during the Jim Crow era? Why would keeping him on staff be the right thing to do?
 
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Bullseye said:
Yeah, "free speech" is only for Antifa and Jim Acosta. :roll:
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Again.......why exactly do you think celebrating terrorism is “free speech”?
 
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