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Cherokee Nation: Warren's use of DNA test 'inappropriate,' 'wrong'

Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Your understanding of human genetics is about as strong as your understanding of basic logic and reason.

The DNA of indigenous Mexicans is essentially the same as indigenous North Americans, since they all descended from relatively recent common ancestors.

Moreover, you must have blinded yourself to the paragraph they stated:

“Bustamante said he can tease out the markers that these South Americans would have in common with Native Americans on the North American continent.”

I would call you a liar, but that assumes you have the mental faculties to differentiate truth from untruth, and with posts like these, I will have to refrain from making any definitive statement on that.
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So are you saying Warren is a Mayan, Aztec, or Inca?

LOL
 
Acadia said:
It's like quicksand.

"Help, help! I'm sinking further...help!"

"Stop fighting and flailing, Lizzy!"

"I can't help myself! Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!"...ploop
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Wait, now that I think about it. Doesn't 1/1000 mean she has less native American dna than is standard for every white person in the united states?
 
Deuce said:
She did not use Native American heritage for personal gain, that’s the right wing propaganda talking
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Really now, you wouldn't have any evidence to back that up would you?
 
vesper said:
1.)no you have been given credible sources you just refuse to accept the truth.
2.)warren has strung a wampum of lies to benefit her own personal gain.
3.)it is disgusting.
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agent j said:
1.) what factually credible sources, what truth?
2.) what factual lies? What personal gain?
3.) i agree it would be if true but so far i havent seen any facts that make it true. Do you have any? If you do ill condemn her to the moon and back.
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crickets!!!! Lmao
 
Middleground said:
In the whole ****ing grand scheme of things, this "controversy" is about as relevant as a **** eating maggot. Trump used to call people impersonating someone who worked for Trump, amongst he long list of ****ed up things he's done, yet you and your ilk don't seem to give a flying ****. The double standard is hilarious.
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To help with clarity, you should work on refining that post.
 
Xelor said:
What exactly is/was Dr. Warren's declaration re: her Native American (NA) ancestry? AFAIK, she has said "she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood."
  • Did she assert membership in or that she's a member of a specific NA tribe, namely the Cherokee tribe? No.
  • Did she assert merely having NA ancestry? Yes.
Having watched Skip Gates' show, I think many folks' family lore tells of NA ancestry, yet DNA tests show no trace whatsoever of NA ancestry. In Warren's case, DNA testing shows she has some NA ancestry, albeit from quite a long time ago.

As goes what the Cherokee people have said:

  • [*=1]I can see they said:
    [*=2]"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong."
    [*=1]I can see what the DNA analyst said:
    [*=2]"The analysis also identified 5 genetic segments as NA in origin at high confidence."
    [*=1]I can see what the definition of "Native American" is; it lacks continental specificity within the western hemisphere.
If one has five Native American DNA segments, those segments must have come from some Native American ancestor.


My assessment for the time being:

  • Accurate --> Dr. Warren's attestation that she has NA ancestry.
  • Accurate --> Cherokee Nation claim that "tribal affiliation" (in the sense of a political and cultural thing, as contrasted with having NA genetic ancestry) isn't a matter of what a DNA test reveals. DNA testing can no more pinpoint one's ancestors' cultural/political tribal affiliations than it can whether anyone's ancestors were Democrat, Republican, Federalists, Jacobins, or other political unit.
  • Dubious to partly accurate; misleading either way --> Cherokee people's declaration about the limits of DNA testing's ability to pinpoint a specific tribal association.
  • Presumably accurate --> Warren's declaration her family lore tells of having either Cherokee or Delaware ancestors.
  • Indeterminate --> To what Native American tribe Warren's ancestors belonged.


    Off-Topic:
    Content I encountered searching re: how "European" one's ancestry must be for one to be white and whether extant be such categorical quantifications:​




    Except When My wife did her DNA they specified she has North American Indian DNA and I have seen other peoples tests that specify Hispanic or South American.

    I'm almost entirely Scandinavian yet migration patterns show that 20,000 years ago my ancestors were mostly migrating through Spain & France yet I don't come up as French or Spanish.

    Warren had a private test done because any legit test would have said she had no North American Indian DNA. Her tester took sample DNA from Central and South America because no North American DNA matched her.
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