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Cherokee Nation: Warren's use of DNA test 'inappropriate,' 'wrong'

Napoleon said:
Only the Cherokee can say what it means to be Cherokee. A DNA report identifying a distant South American ancestor doesn’t do that.
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That is absolutely ridiculous... :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
Harvard is well known for its hiring practices. a guy I know graduated with the highest GPA in the history of Cornell law school-didn't get a job there-Cornell was only ranked 7th when He applied. Same with a person from Duke. Lieyawatha was a graduate of Rutgers. She didn't clerk for a supreme court justice.
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What a load of BS used to push conspiracy theory. Pathetic.
 
Xelor said:
No he is not. The Cherokee Chief said
"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship."​
Citizenship isn't determinable by DNA. Citizenship, in any nation, is a poiltical association/matter, not a genetic one. DNA testing cannot identify such affiliations. A search of written public records sometimes can uncover such affiliations. (See post #3.)
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Did Warren claim to be a Cherokee Citizen or to be just Cherokee?
 
ecofarm said:
What a load of BS used to push conspiracy theory. Pathetic.
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go through the Harvard Law professors. how many of them who aren't affirmative action cases have something other than Yale, Harvard, Chicago and Stanford for their law schools?
 
TurtleDude said:
plus she parlayed her Native American Faux status into a Harvard professorship, despite going to a third rate law school.
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Except she didn't, but nice try.
“She was not on the radar screen at all in terms of a racial minority hire,” Randall Kennedy, a law professor who was in charge of recruiting minority candidates to Harvard Law School, told the newspaper. “It was just not an issue. I can’t remember anybody ever mentioning her in this context.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/02/elizabeth-warren-donald-trump-pocahontas
 
TurtleDude said:
go through the Harvard Law professors. how many of them who aren't affirmative action cases have something other than Yale, Harvard, Chicago and Stanford for their law schools?
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Yeah, yeah, it's all a big conspiracy. Everyone is lying.


How sad.
 
TurtleDude said:
do you think they are going to admit to hiring her because of her status as Lieyawatha?
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The Globe reported that it examined hundreds of documents, many never before available, and talked to 31 law school professors from that period at Harvard. All but one said her Native American heritage was not discussed as part of the decision to hire her. One said he was unsure if the issue came up, but if it did, it had no bearing on his vote.
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I'll take documentation and investigative journalism over your baseless assertions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Of the Cherokee Nation... pretty much the same thing...
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Who knows. My Highland clan has a chief, but not a Secretary of State.
It all smacks of theatre. Cherokee Secretry of State? The Chief has a cabinet, apparently. His ancestors must be glowing with pride.
And I say that being someone who's worked the big red iron with many Native ironworkers and has a Metis wife and many Native inlaws.
 
spud_meister said:
I'll take documentation and investigative journalism over your baseless assertions.
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Well, then it would seem some real investigative journalism is in order. Where on earth did the Fordham Law Review get the following idea: “Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."?
 
TurtleDude said:
do you think they are going to admit to hiring her because of her status as Lieyawatha?
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Interesting. So without evidence you believe the allegations.
 
Napoleon said:
Well, then it would seem some real investigative journalism is in order. Where on earth did the Fordham Law Review get the following idea: “Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."?
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Oh look, investigative journalism, just a quick Google away:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304371504577406901777485754
The Fordham article, which is titled "Intersectionality and Positionality: Situating Women of Color in the Affirmative Action Dialogue," doesn't make it clear whether the phrase "woman of color" used to describe Ms. Warren came from the Harvard spokesman or whether it was the author's own words. The author Laura Padilla, who is now an associate dean and professor at California Western School of Law, said in an email Tuesday that she could not immediately answer because she needed to review her notes, which were in storage.
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In her 1973 law school application to Rutgers University, she wrote "no" when asked "are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Students." She designated herself as "white"—selecting from options that included American Indian—on an undated personal information form released by the University of Texas, where she taught from 1981 to 1987.
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Warren has obviously enjoyed claiming to be Native American, but there's no evidence to suggest she ever used it to gain advantage.
 
Grand Mal said:
Who knows. My Highland clan has a chief, but not a Secretary of State.
It all smacks of theatre. Cherokee Secretry of State? The Chief has a cabinet, apparently. His ancestors must be glowing with pride.
And I say that being someone who's worked the big red iron with many Native ironworkers and has a Metis wife and many Native inlaws.
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But if he is a Chief and not a President, which is cool, why is the other guy the Secretary of State instead of some Cherokee term like Ahyoka ?
 
spud_meister said:
Oh look, investigative journalism, just a quick Google away:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304371504577406901777485754



Warren has obviously enjoyed claiming to be Native American, but there's no evidence to suggest she ever used it to gain advantage.
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Isn’t there? Elizabeth Warren tells Harvard that she is Native American, she’s hired, then Harvard tells anyone who will listen that Elizabeth Warren is proof of diversity in faculty hiring? Of course, Harvard denies the connection but they also denied discriminating against Asian Americans until the Dean of Admissions testified that they do in open court today.
 
Napoleon said:
Isn’t there? Elizabeth Warren tells Harvard that she is Native American, she’s hired, then Harvard tells anyone who will listen that Elizabeth Warren is proof of diversity in faculty hiring? Of course, Harvard denies the connection but they also denied discriminating against Asian Americans until the Dean of Admissions testified that they do in open court today.
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Evidence is more than a string of sentences. See my posts #30 and #33 for evidence that she didn't claim Native American ancestry to get hired by Harvard.
 
" being native American has been part of my heritage since I was born"

Lieyawatha. Just saw her say this on Laura Ingraham's show
 
spud_meister said:
Evidence is more than a string of sentences. See my posts #30 and #33 for evidence that she didn't claim Native American ancestry to get hired by Harvard.
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See my last post. Harvard doesn’t exactly have a sterling record when it comes to publicly admitting to racial biases. Besides, if it wasn’t a factor in hiring then why did Harvard promote her as a Native American hire?
 
Napoleon said:
See my last post. Harvard doesn’t exactly have a sterling record when it comes to publicly admitting to racial biases. Besides, if it wasn’t a factor in hiring then why did Harvard promote her as a Native American hire?
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That was way after the hiring, when she put that in her profile page.
 
spud_meister said:
Evidence is more than a string of sentences. See my posts #30 and #33 for evidence that she didn't claim Native American ancestry to get hired by Harvard.
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Facts and dispassionate, rational analysis of them are lost on many people.
 
Warren never claimed to have NA citizenship, and apparently never used her ancestry to get a hiring advantage at Harvard or UPenn.
She merely said she was told as a child, and growing up, that her family had a NA ancestor. Which seems to be true.
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This said, I hope she does not win the Democratic nomination in 2020. The Democrats can't afford to run another candidate with vulnerabilities that Trump will exploit. They need to run a rather spotless person. I hope they come up with a better candidate.
 
Napoleon said:
See my last post. Harvard doesn’t exactly have a sterling record when it comes to publicly admitting to racial biases. Besides, if it wasn’t a factor in hiring then why did Harvard promote her as a Native American hire?
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You're accusing Harvard of falsifying documents related to hiring practices, right? And where's your evidence Harvard promoted her as a Native American hire?
 
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