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Trump: 'Robert E. Lee was a great general'

Tigerace117 said:
South Carolina ceded all right to the land when they agreed to allow the fort to be built......well before they decided to try to leave the Union to protect their precious slavery. There are no "do-overs"; you don't get to seize by force what you already gave away just because you had second thoughts years down the line. Federal property does not magically become part of another "country" even when that "country" decided it is independent.....oh, and by the way, no one else recognized the south as an independent country.
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According to the law, the only land the govt can own is 10 square miles for the seat. Everything else is not theirs and at best the states allow the federal govt to use it. The union was asked to leave Fort Sumter, and no longer had a right or reason to be there. Its clearly within the boundaries of South Carolina. The same would go for any British forts on the colonies land. SC even offered to pay the union, but they wanted war. Lincoln wanted to preserve the union at any cost, including killing the death of nearly a million people on both sides.
 
jonny5 said:
According to the law, the only land the govt can own is 10 square miles for the seat. Everything else is not theirs and at best the states allow the federal govt to use it. The union was asked to leave Fort Sumter, and no longer had a right or reason to be there. Its clearly within the boundaries of South Carolina. The same would go for any British forts on the colonies land. SC even offered to pay the union, but they wanted war. Lincoln wanted to preserve the union at any cost, including killing the death of nearly a million people on both sides.
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That's just complete nonsense. It's fine to argue that the U.S. should sell much of the land it currently owns, but not that it cannot own land. Of course it can, and far more than 10 acres. No one serious disputes that it can own parks, forts and other military facilities, land under federal facilities such as in Oak Ridge and in every state, federal offices, etc. just for starters.
 
Yes. lee was a good general. Just not a great one. Great ones would be Jackson and Danial Harvey Hill.
 
Sam_Troy said:
I concur with our magnificent leader of this country who's making it great again. He was right tonight about the patriotic General Lee.. any military historian will agree with his statement. Robert E. Lee being a talented general and the reality that it was frustrating to President Lincoln and General Grant is simply a statement of historical fact.


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/411237-trump-robert-e-lee-was-a-great-general


President Trump praised Confederate Geader Robert E. Lee as "a great general" on Friday during a campaign rally in Lebanon, Ohio.

"So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee," Trump said before launching into a monologue about Lee, Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.

"He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee,'" Trump said.
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The Nazis had several really good generals yet they fought for an evil and despicable cause just like Robert E. Lee. The cause for which the confederacy fought could not have been more evil.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The Nazis had several really good generals yet they fought for an evil and despicable cause just like Robert E. Lee. The cause for which the confederacy fought could not have been more evil.
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To fight for freedom is evil? Tell that to Patrick Henry
 
JasperL said:
That's just complete nonsense. It's fine to argue that the U.S. should sell much of the land it currently owns, but not that it cannot own land. Of course it can, and far more than 10 acres. No one serious disputes that it can own parks, forts and other military facilities, land under federal facilities such as in Oak Ridge and in every state, federal offices, etc. just for starters.
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It's a diversion anyway. The Confederacy seceded over slavery, specifically what they saw as the state's rights to legalized chattel slavery. The cause of the confederacy was every bit as evil (if not more so) than the Nazis. If a Civil War were to break out in a nation today over the issue of slavery, the generals and political leaders that fought to preserve the institution of slavery would be tried and executed for crimes against humanity, no one other than the scum of the earth would sing their praises or want monuments erected to them. Robert E Lee was a slave owner just like the others.
 
Saladin4 said:
Freedom to continue slavery...The South deserved to be destroyed...and it was
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Um you were aware that in 1865 New Jersey still had slaves, aren’t you?
 
Tom Horn said:
To fight for freedom is evil? Tell that to Patrick Henry
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That's insane. They fought for the state's right to preserve chattel slavery within the state's borders. Their cause was evil. The only "freedom" they fought for was the "freedom" to own slaves. To say the confederates fought for freedom is like saying the Nazis fought for the freedom to purge the world of what they saw as inferior races.


Here is the leaders of the confederacy in their own words:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/
 
Chattel.............what someone does by adding stupid **** words to try to win over idiots Alex, for $800
 
Traitor scum.........................I will take, which president immidiately followed George Bush Jr Alex, for $1,600
 
Tom Horn said:
Um you were aware that in 1865 New Jersey still had slaves, aren’t you?
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But New Jersey did not secede from the Union to preserve that evil institution. That is the difference. They did not choose to fight and die to preserve the evil institution of slavery. For example, as a comparison, in 1939 there were anti-semites and racists in Britain. Yet Britain did not choose to go to war and fight to exterminate what they saw as lesser races.
 
Saladin4 said:
Get lost...Your defense of Lee has been a waste of time.......
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Getting lost....... I will take what did Mooshell do upon opening her bag of McDonalds French fries Alex, for $2,000
 
Tom Horn said:
Getting lost....... I will take what did Mooshell do upon opening her bag of McDonalds French fries Alex, for $2,000
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Good to see you broken and defeated, reduced to talking about McDonalds....Defending that piece of **** Lee
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Nah, history doesn't agree with that assessment. Of course, to understand that, one would have to actually know history.

Pretty much counts you out.

He only fought in one war, completely blew it at Gettysburg, lost the battle and hence the war. He destroyed no enemy armies. The same army he beat at Chancellorsville was whipping him shortly thereafter at Gettysburg, inflicting heavy casualties on him.

Whenever he faced better Generals than himself, like Grant, he lost.

You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. As usual.
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Well...I wasn't there. But neither were you. So let's see about history.
Here's the very first paragraph from Wiki.
Robert Edward Lee (January 19, 1807 – October 12, 1870) was an American and Confederate soldier, best known as a commander of the Confederate States Army. He commanded the Army of Northern Virginia in the American Civil War from 1862 until his surrender in 1865. A son of Revolutionary War officer Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee III, Lee was a top graduate of the United States Military Academy and an exceptional officer and military engineer in the United States Army for 32 years. During this time, he served throughout the United States, distinguished himself during the Mexican–American War, and served as Superintendent of the United States Military Academy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee
Huh...:roll:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
But New Jersey did not secede from the Union to preserve that evil institution. That is the difference. They did not choose to fight and die to preserve the evil institution of slavery. For example, as a comparison, in 1939 there were anti-semites and racists in Britain. Yet Britain did not choose to go to war and fight to exterminate what they saw as lesser races.
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i guess you missed my post where IN and IL were about to succeed from the union and take the rest of the NW with them. And recognize the Confederacy and withdraw their regiments.
 
Saladin4 said:
Good to see you broken and defeated, reduced to talking about McDonalds....Defending that piece of **** Lee
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Rise Up!

and blindly oppose your foe.
 
Saladin4 said:
Good to see you broken and defeated, reduced to talking about McDonalds....Defending that piece of **** Lee
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Piece of ****...................Alex, I will take “ what did Syphillis call her dad when she found out he wasn’t her father “ , for $400.
 
Saladin4 said:
Watch and see...Soon those statues of Lee will be removed and destroyed...Will you cry?
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Cry? No.
Mourn the Farenheit 911 scenes? Yes.
Altering history is generally frowned upon in free societies.
What sort of society do you want?
 
Buzz62 said:
Cry? No.
Mourn the Farenheit 911 scenes? Yes.
Altering history is generally frowned upon in free societies.
What sort of society do you want?
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Altering?...Hardly.......Celebrating a traitor?....That is altering history...Lee was No hero worthy of a statue
 
Fletch said:
I dont think the revolutionary army had any chance of beating the British either.
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Not as it was originally constructed of course. And certainly not without the help of another competing world power in France.The concept of defense by state militias as outlined in the Articles of Confederation was doomed to failure from the start. Although Great Britain was at that time the premier power in the world. Suppressing an armed insurrection so very far from the homeland presented a difficult set of logistical challenges for them. It meant conducting a military operation in a faraway hostile territory with a much more limited number of troops and equipment then they would normally have on hand for a military operation in the European theater. Reinforcement and resupply to America took months to arrive and required large commitments of resources. If we had stuck with the militia style method of defense outlined in the Articles it would have allowed the British to maximize the utilization of the forces they had on hand. Because they could then simply take on each state's militia, one by one, in piecemeal fashion until the insurrection collapses. Fortunately Washington successfully persuaded Congress of the need to create a national army. Trained and disciplined under a unified central command if we were to have any chance in going up against well trained and disciplined British forces. So us having home field advantage and a very powerful friend willing to help us greatly served in help evening the odds somewhat.
 
Saladin4 said:
Altering?...Hardly.......Celebrating a traitor?....That is altering history...Lee was No hero worthy of a statue
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Well he's certainly not my "hero" but...having actually read a bit of the history, I think he was a rather noble man who got caught up in a bad situation and wanted to fight for his home state. That's what I think.

Ya know...slavery was a long time ago? I don't think anyone would mind if you got over it now...
 
Saladin4 said:
Nobody cares...Topic is that traitor scum General Lee......FACT:...He was defeated and died in shame....
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Yet there's a big statue of him inside the capitol building in D.C. He is a true Southern hero well revered to this day.
 
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