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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yes, it's an allowance. So what?

    And why is it "greedy" for me to simply believe inheritances ought to be taxed like the money you make working hard at your job? It's income by any definition in the code or the courts, and only not taxed because of massive loopholes in the tax code. Are you for big tax loopholes, but only for wealthy trust fund babies like our President? If you're not, then what's greedy about closing that one? Seems to me the 'greedy' ones are those who believe they ought to be able to inherit $billions from daddy and pay no tax on the transfer or when they sell the assets DADDY earned, while hard working people like you pay income and payroll taxes on every dime you make.
    I oppose inheritance taxes.
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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

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    I oppose inheritance taxes.
    OK, so you oppose a system that gives a huge tax loophole to about 99.5% of families, simplifies estates, bookkeeping, tax administration?

    And, again, fine, you oppose inheritance taxes. OK, treat inheritances like all other income! I'm good with that! But I don't know why you'd oppose a system that in its current form is a great thing for everyone not worth more than $15-20 million.

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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so you oppose a system that gives a huge tax loophole to about 99.5% of families, simplifies estates, bookkeeping, tax administration?

    And, again, fine, you oppose inheritance taxes. OK, treat inheritances like all other income! I'm good with that! But I don't know why you'd oppose a system that in its current form is a great thing for everyone not worth more than $15-20 million.
    I'm sure you know in a family business, the children most likely work in that business to grow the business. When the parents die they gift the business to their children who helped them in the business for years. So now the business they help grow is taxed to death. And yes I oppose inheritance taxes. The money was probable was taxed at the corporate level and then again when funds were distributed or when the stock was sold at a gain, and now for a third time when it's gifted. Enough already
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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I'm sure you know in a family business, the children most likely work in that business to grow the business. When the parents die they gift the business to their children who helped them in the business for years. So now the business they help grow is taxed to death. And yes I oppose inheritance taxes. The money was probable was taxed at the corporate level and then again when funds were distributed or when the stock was sold at a gain, and now for a third time when it's gifted. Enough already
    Nobody in that situation "gifts the business;" that would be bat**** absurd.

    They put it in a family trust.
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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Nobody in that situation "gifts the business;" that would be bat**** absurd.

    They put it in a family trust.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, they still have a cost basis, if the owner at age 75 has a business worth say 20 million and now he wants to set up a family trust. The kids do not automatically get an equal value, nor can it be passed on ignoring the gift tax.
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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I'm sure you know in a family business, the children most likely work in that business to grow the business. When the parents die they gift the business to their children who helped them in the business for years. So now the business they help grow is taxed to death.
    The vast majority of small businesses pay no estate tax at all, because the vast, vast majority are worth less than around $15 million, which passes estate tax free or nearly so.

    And yes I oppose inheritance taxes. The money was probable was taxed at the corporate level and then again when funds were distributed or when the stock was sold at a gain, and now for a third time when it's gifted. Enough already
    As I've said on this thread, the estate tax is a huge tax loophole, tax benefit, saves taxes for about 99.5% of families, which is roughly the number of families worth less than $15-20 million or so.

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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    I think Trump just made a massive mistake, bringing up Healthcare, prior to the mid-terms. All that this accomplishes is a refresher for Americans, regarding the Republican failures to get anything done. Everyone of them campaigned on this issue, and it's turned out to be nothing but an empty bag.

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    Re: USA Today: Donald Trump: Democrats 'Medicare for All' plan will demolish promises to seniors

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, they still have a cost basis, if the owner at age 75 has a business worth say 20 million and now he wants to set up a family trust. The kids do not automatically get an equal value, nor can it be passed on ignoring the gift tax.
    The downside of lifetime gifts versus at death is with gifts the kids get a carryover basis, which if dad started it would be roughly $0 in a lot of cases. If he dies, the kids step up the 'cost' basis to FMV on the date of death. So there's a trade-off. If you get it out of the estate early, you avoid estate/gift taxes on the appreciation between the gift and death, but miss out on the step up at death. If capital gains taxes are at 20%, and might not be paid for years or decades if the kids keep the business, and estate taxes at 40%, then it's not that hard a choice in most cases.

    And you're right, lifetime gifts over the annual exclusion of $15k per person, per recipient, go against the 'unified' estate and gift tax exclusion of roughly $5.5m/person under current law.
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