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Accuser's schoolmate says she recalls hearing of alleged Kavanaugh incident

ludin said:
the other people at the party say it didn't happen so why would they talk about something that didn't occur?

that makes 0 sense logically.
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They say it didn't happen, now. That doesn't mean that if it did happen then that they didn't say something about it then.
 
roguenuke said:
No. You've shown that you want to make assumptions or believe assumptions that are made in anyway that may discount her story. I have shown you where the only inconsistency in her story so far has been the therapist's notes, which both her and her husband contend were mistaken/wrong, and they have put that out since the beginning.

They do not conflict with what Ford said though. There is nothing that says that the friend said that Ford told her it happened, nor that anyone else told her that Ford has said something to them about it happening. You have consistently failed to even admit that it could have been one of the other 5 people at the party who started a potential rumor.
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yes you are making assumption i have facts you have your opinion there is a difference.

she has yet to prove her story and all the details and people that she says can support her either
say it didn't happen or they have no knowledge that it occurred or happened.

so that leaves only her story which has little or no detail behind it.

so far none of the other 4 people as she said where there (she would be the 5th person)
say anything has happened in fact 3 of them have signed sworn statements that nothing occured.

you have consistently failed to post anything that supports her story.
remember she has to be able to support her accusations with evidence which is more than "she says so".

the only person that mentioned anything about it has now recanted that she has no idea.
you are the one making assumptions no one else we are going by facts and evidence as it is presented.

Her husband is not a witness and is immaterial. he is simply repeating what she that doesn't collaborate he story.
Her therapist adds more issues to her story than he solves.

the issue is everyone else is wrong but her. not a sound story if you ask anyone.
 
roguenuke said:
Actually, many times it is that the person can recall the event itself with near perfect accuracy (much as she has done) but does not remember those other specific details everyone else thinks she should remember. That has been shown by the link I posted.

I remember the same thing about my trauma that she remembers of hers. It certainly sounds like you are saying that I imagined it because I don't remember basically the same things others think she should remember, despite other mental health professionals and researchers saying that it is completely consistent that she may not remember those things like how she got there, how she got home, or even the exact place the party was.
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That hasn't been my experience. It is possible that very traumatic experiences drive people into amnesia on the incident, but I've never seen that form of amnesia manifest itself in the person forgetting benign details but remembering the trauma. If anything the reverse is more likely... a person will remember a party in vivid detail, and you later learn that the reason a seemingly benign party was remembered in such vivid detail is because there was a trauma that the person was actively forgetting.
 
roguenuke said:
They say it didn't happen, now. That doesn't mean that if it did happen then that they didn't say something about it then.
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3 of them have signed sworn statement saying that it didn't occur.
what they say is just as legitimate.

They deny the event occurred and her classmate says she doesn't know if it happened or not.
so again why would they talk about something that didn't occur

what you are stating is logically not allowable.
 
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roguenuke said:
Why is that hard to believe? We don't know how far those rumors (if they actually existed) spread. We don't know how many of her friends might have heard them or even what those rumors were. It could have been that her and Kavanaugh simply had sex (or maybe all 3 of them) and that wouldn't always be something that others ask someone about.

You are making assumptions.
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That (bolded above) is an assumption as well. It was reported that a friend on Facebook heard about "the incident" which, by definition, is a sexual assault of Ford by Kavanaugh. That hearsay 'evidence' (a rumor, which may never have happened?) is what you (and others) are trying to use to lend 'credibility' to this otherwise baseless allegation.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is an assumption as well. It was reported that a friend on Facebook heard about "the incident" which, by definition, is a sexual assault of Ford by Kavanaugh. That hearsay 'evidence' (a rumor, which may never have happened?) is what you (and others) are trying to use to lend 'credibility' to this otherwise baseless allegation.
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In which that facebook friend has no recanted and has stated that they have no knowledge of the incident or if it even occurred.
 
ludin said:
I agree, but you have to understand something this isn't about him being guilty.
this is nothing more than the largest appeal to emotion fallacy that there is.

They are attempting to play on our emotionally driven society to drum up enough opposition to deter the nomination.
it is pretty disgusting that you don't care if the facts are true or not.

you don't care that you are accusing a person of something that as it looks right now he didn't do.
none of that matters.

all that matter to them is drumming up enough of the mob to get their pitch forks and torches to overturn the nomination.
kavanaugh is more than qualified to sit on the bench as a judge.

he has an impeccable record as a judge.

the reason that they hate him is that he will stand in the way of their re-writing our protected rights.
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Of course.
The tactic is of a kind that I mentioned a couple of days ago.
This is a lot like another tactic commonly used by the left these days.
Just like calling someone a racist when they're not is stoking race hate which is itself racist.
In this case exploiting me-too for political advantage without evidence is an insult to women who may have actually been a victim. They should be offended by the exploitation.
Whatever it takes.
That's one thing that has become a common practice with the Democrat party.
“I don’t regret that at all, Romney didn’t win did he?” - Harry Reid, when called out on his lie about Romney.
And so it goes.​
 
bubbabgone said:
Of course.
The tactic is of a kind that I mentioned a couple of days ago.
This is a lot like another tactic commonly used by the left these days.
Just like calling someone a racist when they're not is stoking race hate which is itself racist.
In this case exploiting me-too for political advantage without evidence is an insult to women who may have actually been a victim. They should be offended by the exploitation.
Whatever it takes.
That's one thing that has become a common practice with the Democrat party.
“I don’t regret that at all, Romney didn’t win did he?” - Harry Reid, when called out on his lie about Romney.
And so it goes.​
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I know people that have been raped. I take the charge very seriously.
I also know people that have been falsely accused so i take that very seriously as well.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...ls-hearing-alleged-kavanaugh-incident-n911111

Cristina King Miranda says she recalls it being discussed at their school, but has no first-hand knowledge of the alleged assault by Brett Kavanaugh.

WASHINGTON — A former schoolmate of Brett Kavanaugh's accuser wrote a Facebook post saying she recalls hearing about the alleged assault incident involving the future Supreme Court nominee, though she says she has no first-hand information to corroborate the accuser's claims.

"Christine Blasey Ford was a year or so behind me," wrote the woman, Cristina Miranda King, who now works as a performing arts curator in Mexico City. "I did not know her personally but I remember her. This incident did happen."
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So apparently the sexual assault did happen & was apparently commonly discussed at her private school.
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Another liberal, what a coincidence. :roll:
 
Moot said:
The beach house as described in Judge's book, Wasted' could very well be the same house where the assault occurred because it fits the description, location, timeline and their ages as described in Ford's account. Judge said in his book that most of the teens from the boys and girls prep schools hung out at the Eastern shore during summer break and that's probably why Ford was wearing a bathing suit when she was assaulted. Or did you think she just wore a bathing suit for no reason?


"....Judge said during the summer in high school he and his classmates rented a beach house in Maryland where they drank heavily and 'chased girls without fear of curfew or punishment.'

'Without parents, without even a serious chaperone, we were allowed to enter into a different reality. We ate whatever and wherever we wanted, got drunk at night and in the middle of the day, and chased girls without fear of curfew or punishment,' wrote Judge.

Several Catholic girls' schools also had groups down [at the beach] – on one side of our place was a group from Georgetown Visitation, on the other a group from the School of the Holy Child in Maryland.'

502F624800000578-6181487-Beach_vacation_Mark_Judge_posted_this_picture_of_Kavanaugh_circl-a-50_1537295114291.jpg

Mark Judge is standing next to Kavanaugh in the upper right of the photo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-school-friend-Mark-Judge-testify-Monday.html​



Ford described it as a "small party". So there must've been other people there or Judge wouldn't have needed to turn up the music in the bedroom so the people downstairs couldn't hear her scream. When Ford said when she was finally able to get away...she ran across the hall and locked herself into the bathroom until she heard Kavanaugh and Judge finally leave and then she opened the door and ran down the stairs and out of the house. Now if she was staying at the beach with a group girls from Georgetown Visitation as Judge described above, then she probably didn't need a drive home because she was most likely within walking distance.
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Thank you for sharing the information.

More info to concider.
 
TurtleDude said:
why is her social footprint now harder to find then Bigfoot's? why is her HS yearbook tougher to get than the ICBM launch codes? Did she really brag-as a senior-about preferring younger boys? Did her yearbook brag about drunken debauchery with male strippers?
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I would delete everything I could if I knew someone was threatening my life.

I won’t want them to know who my friends or relatives were or where I might be seeking safety.
 
minnie616 said:
I would delete everything I could if I knew someone was threatening my life.

I won’t want them to know who my friends or relatives were or where I might be seeking safety.
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she deleted this stuff before the smear job was deployed.
 
bubbabgone said:
Yeah that's the same thing.

th
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You wonder then how she heard about something that didn't happen.

The question isn't whether they could convict him in court. The question is political. Think of it this way, if 2 Republicans vote no, there's no path to confirmation.
 
rocket88 said:
You wonder then how she heard about something that didn't happen.

The question isn't whether they could convict him in court. The question is political. Think of it this way, if 2 Republicans vote no, there's no path to confirmation.
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which is why this whole thing is complete bull**** from the get go and why the liberals in congress are completely full of it.
the fact that you just pointed out the whole entire reason that this is even a thing pretty much tells us what we already knew.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...ls-hearing-alleged-kavanaugh-incident-n911111

Cristina King Miranda says she recalls it being discussed at their school, but has no first-hand knowledge of the alleged assault by Brett Kavanaugh.

WASHINGTON — A former schoolmate of Brett Kavanaugh's accuser wrote a Facebook post saying she recalls hearing about the alleged assault incident involving the future Supreme Court nominee, though she says she has no first-hand information to corroborate the accuser's claims.

"Christine Blasey Ford was a year or so behind me," wrote the woman, Cristina Miranda King, who now works as a performing arts curator in Mexico City. "I did not know her personally but I remember her. This incident did happen."
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So apparently the sexual assault did happen & was apparently commonly discussed at her private school.
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She also retracted....and promptly deleted her facebook.


Kavanaugh Accuser's Classmate: 'That It Happened Or Not, I Have No Idea'


A former classmate of Christine Blasey Ford tells NPR that she does not know if an alleged sexual assault by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh took place as she first suggested on social media.

That's different from what Miranda wrote Wednesday in a now-deleted Facebook post that stated definitively, "The incident DID happen, many of us heard about it in school."
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https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/6497...ssmate-that-it-happened-or-not-i-have-no-idea


Lol. She too, doesn't want to testify!

Miranda said staff from the Senate Judiciary Committee had reached out to her, something she was not expecting. She said she will not go through with a committee interview if asked.
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https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/6497...ssmate-that-it-happened-or-not-i-have-no-idea



"In my [Facebook] post, I was empowered and I was sure it probably did [happen]," Miranda told NPR. "I had no idea that I would now have to go to the specifics and defend it before 50 cable channels and have my face spread all over MSNBC news and Twitter."
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Doh? You guys come out accusing a high profile Brett Kavanaugh on the eve of an electrically charged event - and you didn't expect this kind of media reaction???

:lamo


She's a very dim bulb, by the looks of it.
 
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rocket88 said:
You wonder then how she heard about something that didn't happen.
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Turns out she (the friend?) didn't hear about it after all.
Good thing, too.
If she had heard about it that would make Blasey a liar.

The question isn't whether they could convict him in court. The question is political. Think of it this way, if 2 Republicans vote no, there's no path to confirmation.
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That's not exactly news ... it's what this has been about from the start.
Remember? "I’m going to fight this nomination with everything I’ve got,” - Chuck Schumer
This load of garbage is what they've got and every step was predictable.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The point is that her friends who are trying to help her by saying that they heard about "it" at the time are actually hurting Ford's assertion that she told nobody and never discussed the matter for 30 years. Are we to believe that none of those who heard rumors about "it" never asked their friend Ford whether the rumor of her sexual assault was true?
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She said she never told anyone in detail what happed. Not that she did not say something about it to a classmate.

But she did if she was telling the truth leave of the party rather suddenly , leaving the others to wonder why.
Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.”
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bubbabgone said:
Turns out she (the friend?) didn't hear about it after all.
Good thing, too.
If she had heard about it that would make Blasey a liar.


That's not exactly news ... it's what this has been about from the start.
Remember? "I’m going to fight this nomination with everything I’ve got,” - Chuck Schumer
This load of garbage is what they've got and every step was predictable.
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So what, you're outraged because there's politics going on in Washington? The Republicans wouldn't even give Obama's nomination a hearing, now you expect Democrats to just roll over and play dead?

How do you know she's lying? Were you there?
 
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Gondwanaland said:
But Ford claimed in her letter that she told no one. Sounds like someone's a liar - is it the friend who has since deleted and retracted her claims, or Ford?
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From Sunday’s Washington post.
Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.”
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ttwtt78640 said:
We are being asked to believe that none of them did which is very hard to believe. I could see Ford not telling her parents (that she attended drinking parties at 15) but that none of her friends asked her about a rumor of being sexually assaulted is not rational. Another point is that referring to "the incident" (rather than "a similar incident"), by definition, involves Ford and Kavanaugh as the alleged victim and perp.
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Not rational to you but as a teenager I would have never even asked my closest friend although I did hear rumors.
 
Moot said:
The beach house as described in Judge's book, Wasted' could very well be the same house where the assault occurred because it fits the description, location, timeline and their ages as described in Ford's account. Judge said in his book that most of the teens from the boys and girls prep schools hung out at the Eastern shore during summer break and that's probably why Ford was wearing a bathing suit when she was assaulted. Or did you think she just wore a bathing suit for no reason?


"....Judge said during the summer in high school he and his classmates rented a beach house in Maryland where they drank heavily and 'chased girls without fear of curfew or punishment.'

'Without parents, without even a serious chaperone, we were allowed to enter into a different reality. We ate whatever and wherever we wanted, got drunk at night and in the middle of the day, and chased girls without fear of curfew or punishment,' wrote Judge.

Several Catholic girls' schools also had groups down [at the beach] – on one side of our place was a group from Georgetown Visitation, on the other a group from the School of the Holy Child in Maryland.'

502F624800000578-6181487-Beach_vacation_Mark_Judge_posted_this_picture_of_Kavanaugh_circl-a-50_1537295114291.jpg

Mark Judge is standing next to Kavanaugh in the upper right of the photo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-school-friend-Mark-Judge-testify-Monday.html​



Ford described it as a "small party". So there must've been other people there or Judge wouldn't have needed to turn up the music in the bedroom so the people downstairs couldn't hear her scream. When Ford said when she was finally able to get away...she ran across the hall and locked herself into the bathroom until she heard Kavanaugh and Judge finally leave and then she opened the door and ran down the stairs and out of the house. Now if she was staying at the beach with a group girls from Georgetown Visitation as Judge described above, then she probably didn't need a drive home because she was most likely within walking distance.
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OMG, look at them! They're obviously all guilty, after all they have penises. :roll:
 
rocket88 said:
So what, you're outraged because there's politics going on in Washington? The Republicans wouldn't even give Obama's nomination a hearing, now you expect Democrats to just roll over and play dead?

How do you know she's lying? Were you there?
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OK. I was there. Blasey's lying. Do you believe me?
 
American said:
This will definitely diminish Ford's credibility.
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well her story was doing more damage than helping.

I bet she got an email from Ford's team saying that very same thing hence why she took it down
and started recanting it.

her story conflicted with ford in some big ways.
 
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