• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Kerry Meeting With Iran to Salvage Nuke Deal With Rogue Diplomacy

B

bubbabgone

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
Messages
37,026
Reaction score
17,943
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
 
bubbabgone said:
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
Click to expand...

There are different laws for different people, particularly those in the Clinton orbit.

The question of guilt can be resolved by him disclosing who gave him authorization to do it.
 
bubbabgone said:
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
Click to expand...

It was never actually charged to them was it? Just talked about on political shows and debate forums?


No one will stop you from talking about it.
 
chuckiechan said:
There are different laws for different people, particularly those in the Clinton orbit.

The question of guilt can be resolved by him disclosing who gave him authorization to do it.
Click to expand...

What does that have to do with this? The Logan act was never charged to anybody ever. Now you are suggesting that because it's not charged against Kerry that's it's only for political reasons? That doesn't make sense.
 
bubbabgone said:
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
Click to expand...

Yeah, it has been brought up before but always dismissed. The law has been around for like 200 years and nobody has ever been convicted of it. If it were an enforced law I do believe Kerry’s actions wander into that territory.

We have discussed this here before.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...gn-leaders-report-w-64-a.html?highlight=Logan
 
roughdraft274 said:
It was never actually charged to them was it? Just talked about on political shows and debate forums?


No one will stop you from talking about it.
Click to expand...

This is treason. Lock'em up!

Right?
 
roughdraft274 said:
What does that have to do with this? The Logan act was never charged to anybody ever. Now you are suggesting that because it's not charged against Kerry that's it's only for political reasons? That doesn't make sense.
Click to expand...

It sure was a big deal when Flynn talked to Kalysniak. Joy Bahar was certain that President Trump was going to prison because of it?
 
apdst said:
It sure was a big deal when Flynn talked to Kalysniak. Joy Bahar was certain that President Trump was going to prison because of it?
Click to expand...

If you want to live your life by what Joy Bahar says, be my guest. I'd strongly encourage you against that though.

Have a wonderful day.
 
bubbabgone said:
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
Click to expand...

Forget the Logan Act. Kerry is colluding with a hostile power to undermine our governments position.
 
Has anyone been investigated or charged with a crime in connection with this?
 
roughdraft274 said:
What does that have to do with this? The Logan act was never charged to anybody ever. Now you are suggesting that because it's not charged against Kerry that's it's only for political reasons? That doesn't make sense.
Click to expand...

Really? That was the whole reason Yates was pushing the Flynn investigation.
 
roughdraft274 said:
If you want to live your life by what Joy Bahar says, be my guest. I'd strongly encourage you against that though.

Have a wonderful day.
Click to expand...

So, secret, unauthorized negotiations with foreign countries isn't that big-a-deal, now?
 
Fletch said:
Forget the Logan Act. Kerry is colluding with a hostile power to undermine our governments position.
Click to expand...

Straight up collusion, baby...lol!
 
bubbabgone said:
Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks.

Kerry, in an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt to promote his new book, said that he has met with Iranian Former Minister Javad Zarif—the former secretary's onetime negotiating partner—three or four times in recent months behind the Trump administration's back.​

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-meeting-iran-salvage-nuke-deal-rogue-diplomacy/

ahem ... Logan Act violation?

Before the pooh-poohs & eyerolls, remember that the Logan Act was being talked about as a charge for Mike Flynn and Trump.
Why not Lurch? He's a private citizen.


The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”​

The Logan Act appears to be a so-called dead letter, meaning a law that remains technically on the books but is essentially defunct or toothless.​

It was still taken seriously in 2016 and 2017 ... but that wasn't about Kerry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/logan-act-flynn.html
Click to expand...

Note to John. Your 15 minutes is up. Go take a boat ride on the Mekong. Shoot yourself in the foot. Whatever.

Logan act violation it is.
 
apdst said:
Some should be investigating this. Yes?
Click to expand...

My point is you have an arguably Republican controlled government at the moment and the idea that Kerry is in violation of the law.

The response from the FBI, Justice Department, any number of Intelligence Agencies, or otherwise... <crickets>

So explain to me again why we are having this conversation.
 
OrphanSlug said:
My point is you have an arguably Republican controlled government at the moment and the idea that Kerry is in violation of the law.

The response from the FBI, Justice Department, any number of Intelligence Agencies, or otherwise... <crickets>

So explain to me again why we are having this conversation.
Click to expand...

You believe he isn't breaking the law?
 
Fletch said:
Forget the Logan Act. Kerry is colluding with a hostile power to undermine our governments position.
Click to expand...
I'm with you here.

Meeting with foreign governments in this manner, allows the foreign governments to throw their weight behind American policy matters. In essence, they interject their interests into American policy decisions. In my opinion, it is dead wrong. And it is (dead wring)^2 when it's a hostile government!
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, it has been brought up before but always dismissed. The law has been around for like 200 years and nobody has ever been convicted of it. If it were an enforced law I do believe Kerry’s actions wander into that territory.

We have discussed this here before.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...gn-leaders-report-w-64-a.html?highlight=Logan
Click to expand...

Not true, but just because no one has been recently charged doesn't mean that they can't, or shouldn't be charged.

Kerry is violating the law. And he knows it.

BTW, Kerry still has his security clearance. And he's negotiating with the enemy on his own.
 
Last edited:
Lutherf said:
Really? That was the whole reason Yates was pushing the Flynn investigation.
Click to expand...

Pushing the investigation? You act as though they were chasing him down with attack dogs. They questioned him and he lied. He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. No one charged him with anything regarding the Logan act.

As I said, no one's ever been charged with it. So any claims of "he'd be charged if he were a republican" is bull**** right from the start.
 
apdst said:
You believe he isn't breaking the law?
Click to expand...

It is not about what I believe.

It is about you answering a question on why an arguably Republican controlled government is ignoring something you think I should believe a Democrat did. Where the hell are they?
 
Chomsky said:
I'm with you here.

Meeting with foreign governments in this manner, allows the foreign governments to throw their weight behind American policy matters. In essence, they interject their interests into American policy decisions. In my opinion, it is dead wrong. And it is (dead wring)^2 when it's a hostile government!
Click to expand...

Kind of sounds like a "Deep State" sort of thing, doesn't it?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom