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Kerry Meeting With Iran to Salvage Nuke Deal With Rogue Diplomacy

roughdraft274 said:
He was publicly lying about contacts with hostile foreign governments. The FBI didn't subpoena him. They asked for an interview, he said yes, he lied to the FBI. If you're suggesting that the FBI shouldn't question government officials that are lying about contacts with hostile governments then I'd love to hear your reasoning behind such a claim...
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Contacts that weren't illegal. Hence, no grounds for an investigation.

Also, the interviewing agents didn't think he lied, during the interview.
 
apdst said:
Contacts that weren't illegal. Hence, no grounds for an investigation.
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You're an anonymous poster on an internet forum. You aren't privy to all the evidence. You aren't privy to what he discussed etc. When you say "weren't illegal" you are stating an uneducated opinion as if it were fact. I don't feel it necessary to waste my time on such.
apdst said:
Also, the interviewing agents didn't think he lied, during the interview.
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Can you provide me with a link showing their exact words and what they said?
 
Mycroft said:
What I find amusing is that either Iran or Kerry think they can accomplish anything.
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It's like me and you concluding who to ban from DP. (I do have some suggestions but that's another matter)
Someone elsewhere said Kerry was advising the Mullahs how to wait for a Dem President.
"I've been very blunt to Foreign Minister Zarif. I told him, ‘Look, you guys need to recognize the world does not appreciate what's happening with missiles, what's happening with Hezbollah, what's happening with Yemen,'"
Hard to believe Zarif didn't fold after that verbal drubbing by Kerry.
That type of Kerry brilliance got us this agreement to begin with.
 
Peter King said:
Except he is not doing anything with a foreign government because is this a case of 2 former diplomats, no longer attached to their respective governments meeting as private citizens. So not sure how the logan act would apply if it is true that Zarif is no longer a "officer or agent of a foreign government".
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"Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks."

"The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.” "
 
dcsports said:
That's an interesting question. It hasn't been used in part because it's a poorly defined law, but I don't know that you could create a more textbook violation.
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You're right. But there's that expression about goose and gander that comes to mind.
 
bubbabgone said:
It's like me and you concluding who to ban from DP. (I do have some suggestions but that's another matter)
Someone elsewhere said Kerry was advising the Mullahs how to wait for a Dem President.
"I've been very blunt to Foreign Minister Zarif. I told him, ‘Look, you guys need to recognize the world does not appreciate what's happening with missiles, what's happening with Hezbollah, what's happening with Yemen,'"
Hard to believe Zarif didn't fold after that verbal drubbing by Kerry.
That type of Kerry brilliance got us this agreement to begin with.
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Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth to this.
 
bubbabgone said:
You're right. But there's that expression about goose and gander that comes to mind.
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Interesting that it does, but not sure why that would be so. I don't remember a similar issue with Condoleezza Rice.
 
bubbabgone said:
"Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks."

"The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.” "
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Yes, but:

1. Kerry was a private citizen
2. his counterpart was a private citizen
3. this is just petty BS, purely done out of partisan political reasons.
 
dcsports said:
Interesting that it does, but not sure why that would be so. I don't remember a similar issue with Condoleezza Rice.
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Proposing application of a Law selectively would make it so.
What did Condoleezza do?
 
Peter King said:
Yes, but:

1. Kerry was a private citizen
2. his counterpart was a private citizen
3. this is just petty BS, purely done out of partisan political reasons.
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1. the law applies to a private citizen.
2. the article said "he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials" although they mentioned only one by name.
3. the selective defense of kerry constitutes the partisan political reason you mentioned.

I didn't put those quotes in my last comments just to beat a 5 letter minimum.
It was all there.
 
bubbabgone said:
Proposing application of a Law selectively would make it so.
What did Condoleezza do?
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That's my question. She was SOS under Bush. I don't remember her attempting to interfere in negotiations conducted by the Obama administration.

I don't see that this would be an issue of selective prosecution. When has there been been a violation this clear? The current administration is attempting to negotiate an agreement, and he's actively working against them.
 
dcsports said:
That's my question. She was SOS under Bush. I don't remember her attempting to interfere in negotiations conducted by the Obama administration.

I don't see that this would be an issue of selective prosecution. When has there been been a violation this clear? The current administration is attempting to negotiate an agreement, and he's actively working against them.
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"Proposing application of a Law selectively" ... I was referring to Mike Flynn and Trump before and during the transition period.
Many many in the media and speaking to the media declared them guilty of violating the Logan Act.
Now with Kerry ... not so much.
 
bubbabgone said:
"Proposing application of a Law selectively" ... I was referring to Mike Flynn and Trump before and during the transition period.
Many many in the media and speaking to the media declared them guilty of violating the Logan Act.
Now with Kerry ... not so much.
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Efforts by the incoming administration to establish lines of communication are not comparable to what Kerry did. I agree that the media is definitely inconsistent. After raising the issue with Flynn, they should be coming down on Kerry like a load of bricks.
 
bubbabgone said:
1. the law applies to a private citizen.
2. the article said "he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials" although they mentioned only one by name.
3. the selective defense of kerry constitutes the partisan political reason you mentioned.

I didn't put those quotes in my last comments just to beat a 5 letter minimum.
It was all there.
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1. well, so what? So was General Flynn in 2016
2. so this article says something and it is all true? One name was mentioned and he is not a government official
3. no, it is not a partisan defense, it is me calling BS on this accusation because so far it is not based on anything and is based on a law that may not even be in play here.
 
Wait a sec. Wasn't the Logan Act last brought up in context of someone on Team Trump having this kind of foreign contacts?

What was the reaction then?
 
bubbabgone said:
"Former Secretary of State John Kerry disclosed that he has been conducting rogue diplomacy with top Iranian officials to salvage the landmark nuclear deal and push the Islamic Republic to negotiate its contested missile program, according to recent remarks."

"The Logan Act is a 1799 statute that bars private citizens from interfering with diplomatic relations between the United States and foreign governments. It makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.” "
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Pompeo slams Kerry for 'actively undermining' US with Iran shadow ...
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10 hours ago - Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blasted predecessor John Kerry on Friday for “actively undermining” the U.S. by holding meetings with Iranian ...

Mike Pompeo blasts Kerry's Iran meetings as 'beyond inappropriate ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/pompeo-kerry-iran/index.html
1 day ago - Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blasted his predecessor John Kerry for ... after Kerry said he had met Iranian officials since leaving office.

Pompeo, Kerry clash in remarkable stand-off over Iran - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/14/pompeo-kerry-foreign-policy-824750
1 day ago - Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his predecessor John Kerry clashed Friday over the latter's private meetings with Iranian officials, ...

Mike Pompeo accuses John Kerry of 'actively undermining US policy ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us.../iran-nuclear-deal-trump-john-kerry-mike-pompeo
1 day ago - The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo ,says his Obama-era predecessor John Kerry has been 'actively undermining' US policy on Iran.
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jimbo said:
Not true, but just because no one has been recently charged doesn't mean that they can't, or shouldn't be charged.

Kerry is violating the law. And he knows it.

BTW, Kerry still has his security clearance. And he's negotiating with the enemy on his own.
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If Kerry's going to behave in this manner, the status of his security clearance needs to change, and needs to be revoked.

He could very well, in his animus to the present president and administration, be leaking classified information to the one government on Earth that promotes and supports international terrorism the most, and the same government who already has played Kerry for an incompetent fool, taking advantage of him with that ill considered nuclear deal; So he's the last person that should be talking to Iran, especially on the US's behalf.

What do you call it when an individual, with no official capacity, 'actively undermines' US foreign policy?
 
Mr Person said:
Wait a sec. Wasn't the Logan Act last brought up in context of someone on Team Trump having this kind of foreign contacts?

What was the reaction then?
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Lol. A nothingburger.
 
Mr Person said:
Wait a sec. Wasn't the Logan Act last brought up in context of someone on Team Trump having this kind of foreign contacts?

What was the reaction then?
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Flynn was the incoming NSA, not a "private citizen".
 
dcsports said:
Efforts by the incoming administration to establish lines of communication are not comparable to what Kerry did. I agree that the media is definitely inconsistent. After raising the issue with Flynn, they should be coming down on Kerry like a load of bricks.
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inconsistent is a nice description.
I prefer 'wholly in the tank for anything anti-Trump" - as in the media is partisan hackery at play
 
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