Calif. governor: Trump's plan to roll back clean power rules is 'declaration of war against America

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...governor-trumps-plan-to-roll-back-clean-power

California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) on Tuesday slammed President Trump's plan to roll back Obama-era regulations for coal power plants, suggesting the administration's proposal is unlikely to take hold.

"This is a declaration of war against America and all of humanity — it will not stand," Brown said in a statement, according to The Sacramento Bee. "Truth and common sense will triumph over Trump's insanity."
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At least this will give the states more control over pollution.

JacksinPA said:

Calif. governor: Trump's plan to roll back clean power rules is a 'declaration of war against America' | TheHill

California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) on Tuesday slammed President Trump's plan to roll back Obama-era regulations for coal power plants, suggesting the administration's proposal is unlikely to take hold.

"This is a declaration of war against America and all of humanity — it will not stand," Brown said in a statement, according to The Sacramento Bee. "Truth and common sense will triumph over Trump's insanity."
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At least this will give the states more control over pollution.

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And democrats accuse Trump of grandstanding and using false rhetoric?

dcsports said:

And democrats accuse Trump of grandstanding and using false rhetoric?

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Brown's comment is actually remarkably restrained, considering that coal is the filthiest source of fuel there is. It releases massive amounts of CO2, uranium, thorium and other chemicals that lead to global warming and the destruction of forests all around the plants that burn it.

Cardinal said:

Brown's comment is actually remarkably restrained, considering that coal is the filthiest source of fuel there is. It releases massive amounts of CO2, uranium, thorium and other chemicals that lead to global warming and the destruction of forests all around the plants that burn it.

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Restrained?

The governor of the nation's largest state accused the President of declaring war on the American people and proclaimed that his policy would "not stand".

Restrained?

As I see it this is just par for the course from today's Left. As we saw recently in the Florida SYG threads, the Left uses labels such as "assault" and "war" to describe opposing ideas as a means of justifying their eventual attempt to use violence and oppression to suppress thoughts and speech they disagree with.

JMaximus said:

Restrained?

The governor of the nation's largest state accused the President of declaring war on the American people and proclaimed that his policy would "not stand".

Restrained?

As I see it this is just par for the course from today's Left. As we saw recently in the Florida SYG threads, the Left uses labels such as "assault" and "war" to describe opposing ideas as a means of justifying their eventual attempt to use violence and oppression to suppress thoughts and speech they disagree with.

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Yes. Considering the factors I listed, it was remarkably restrained. Knowing what we know about coal now, if you still support it you're doing so for purely ideological and partisan reasons.

Cardinal said:

Yes. Considering the factors I listed, it was remarkably restrained. Knowing what we know about coal now, if you still support it you're doing so for purely ideological and partisan reasons.

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That's a silly statement, and you know it. Among other things, you are lumping people into this bucket of those that 'support coal' and painting them as partisan ideologues. There's a wide spectrum of views on using coal for energy production, and there are reasons for having it as a portion of our national energy portfolio that are apart from partisanship.

The real question here isn't whether someone supports coal, but whether someone supports the extreme and unrealistic expectations put in place under Obama. I fully agree -- it would be good to move away from coal, especially the older, dirtier plants -- and market forces are doing that. We're making the transition. However, it doesn't happen overnight, and we need this capacity until newer, cleaner, plants can be planned, built, and brought online. Kicking existing plants off the grid before we're ready will just lead to shortages.

There's also the very real concerns of the DOE about the resilience of the electric grid. Coal (and to an extent, nuclear and hydroelectric) plants are extremely reliable, and they store their fuel onsite. They aren't subject to the whims of the weather (like solar and wind) or interruption of fuel through accident or sabotage (like natural gas).

So, yes, the governor's comments were fodder for his supporters, rhetoric not grounded in an understanding of our energy system or the complexity of providing electricity. A little surprising considering California's history of power supply disruptions.