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IBM, Google, Apple ditch college degree requirements

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https://www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

More than a dozen companies, including Google, Apple and IBM, are no longer requiring applicants to have college degrees, CNBC reports.

Why it matters: Many jobs have historically required employees to hold college degrees even if they are not relevant or needed. This is connected to an effort to improve diversity and make it easier for those that attend coding boot camps or pursue other non-traditional college paths to be hired.
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It's a tough job market for there tech giants to recruit the necessary technical talent so that they can both support & grow their operations. If you can write & debug code, you're now practically a shoe-in at these companies.

This changing world scenario would make an interesting plot line for a sci-fi short story or novel. Where will we be in 50 or 100 years?
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

More than a dozen companies, including Google, Apple and IBM, are no longer requiring applicants to have college degrees, CNBC reports.

Why it matters: Many jobs have historically required employees to hold college degrees even if they are not relevant or needed. This is connected to an effort to improve diversity and make it easier for those that attend coding boot camps or pursue other non-traditional college paths to be hired.
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It's a tough job market for there tech giants to recruit the necessary technical talent so that they can both support & grow their operations. If you can write & debug code, you're now practically a shoe-in at these companies.

This changing world scenario would make an interesting plot line for a sci-fi short story or novel. Where will we be in 50 or 100 years?
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Hopefully things like this will help bring down the cost of higher education.

Of course that will take more than just a dozen companies making this move.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

More than a dozen companies, including Google, Apple and IBM, are no longer requiring applicants to have college degrees, CNBC reports.

Why it matters: Many jobs have historically required employees to hold college degrees even if they are not relevant or needed. This is connected to an effort to improve diversity and make it easier for those that attend coding boot camps or pursue other non-traditional college paths to be hired.
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It's a tough job market for there tech giants to recruit the necessary technical talent so that they can both support & grow their operations. If you can write & debug code, you're now practically a shoe-in at these companies.

This changing world scenario would make an interesting plot line for a sci-fi short story or novel. Where will we be in 50 or 100 years?
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Depends where, what, and how.
Some HR departments probably just figured out that blanket requirements are counterproductive, as you won't get a lot of applicants if you require your Hotel maids to have a relevant Masters degree.
Others may have figured out that in certain fields, the first five years of education are less important than the five first years of relevant experience.
And yet others probably just need a formal excuse to ditch applicants with worthless degrees.
 
It is still almost impossible to get into those companies without help.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

More than a dozen companies, including Google, Apple and IBM, are no longer requiring applicants to have college degrees, CNBC reports.

Why it matters: Many jobs have historically required employees to hold college degrees even if they are not relevant or needed. This is connected to an effort to improve diversity and make it easier for those that attend coding boot camps or pursue other non-traditional college paths to be hired.
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It's a tough job market for there tech giants to recruit the necessary technical talent so that they can both support & grow their operations. If you can write & debug code, you're now practically a shoe-in at these companies.

This changing world scenario would make an interesting plot line for a sci-fi short story or novel. Where will we be in 50 or 100 years?
Click to expand...

"This is connected to an effort to improve diversity"

Is this code for something?
 
ludin said:
It is still almost impossible to get into those companies without help.
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Not if you have the skills & can do the job.
 
Mason66 said:
"This is connected to an effort to improve diversity"

Is this code for something?
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In other words

There are probably a lot of people in the world who did not have the money to go to college or university but can code/program very well. That could mean they will be able to hire young people from 3rd world countries that spend all their time learning about programming but never went to college.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

More than a dozen companies, including Google, Apple and IBM, are no longer requiring applicants to have college degrees, CNBC reports.

Why it matters: Many jobs have historically required employees to hold college degrees even if they are not relevant or needed. This is connected to an effort to improve diversity and make it easier for those that attend coding boot camps or pursue other non-traditional college paths to be hired.
===================================
It's a tough job market for there tech giants to recruit the necessary technical talent so that they can both support & grow their operations. If you can write & debug code, you're now practically a shoe-in at these companies.

This changing world scenario would make an interesting plot line for a sci-fi short story or novel. Where will we be in 50 or 100 years?
Click to expand...

The purpose of a liberal college education has always been more than just about technical expertise.. A broad liberal arts education offers a broader and more expansive perspective on the world, and was originally a luxury only the elite aristocracy could afford. It was designed to create leaders with the breadth of vision to become the future leaders of society. The guilds and technical vocations were always for the working class. This was changed a little bit with the GI bill after WWII. But now, with the government pulling out of educational support of its citizens, we may just go back to that aristocracy model: elite educations only for a small limited number of the elite. Everyone else just quickly learns a skill early in life and gets put to work.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
In other words

There are probably a lot of people in the world who did not have the money to go to college or university but can code/program very well. That could mean they will be able to hire young people from 3rd world countries that spend all their time learning about programming but never went to college.
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I am wondering why that is a goal. I am not saying all employees should be the same, but having diversity as a goal, and that being the reason to remove college as a requirement seems off to me.
 
Mason66 said:
I am wondering why that is a goal. I am not saying all employees should be the same, but having diversity as a goal, and that being the reason to remove college as a requirement seems off to me.
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Diversity can bring different idea's, different solutions to problems. If everyone comes from the same background they may come up with the same solution to a problem which may not be the most effective or even work. Perhaps not a good thing at a manufacturing plant, but in a development aspect quite useful
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
In other words

There are probably a lot of people in the world who did not have the money to go to college or university but can code/program very well. That could mean they will be able to hire young people from 3rd world countries that spend all their time learning about programming but never went to college.
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It's actually a badge of honor among programmers to NOT finish college. This cuts through the red tape to allow these companies access to some of the finest coders.
 
ataraxia said:
The purpose of a liberal college education has always been more than just about technical expertise.. A broad liberal arts education offers a broader and more expansive perspective on the world, and was originally a luxury only the elite aristocracy could afford. It was designed to create leaders with the breadth of vision to become the future leaders of society. The guilds and technical vocations were always for the working class. This was changed a little bit with the GI bill after WWII. But now, with the government pulling out of educational support of its citizens, we may just go back to that aristocracy model: elite educations only for a small limited number of the elite. Everyone else just quickly learns a skill early in life and gets put to work.
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Unless you plan to do something very specific with that piece of paper called a degree, a liberal arts education is certainly worth little and probably a general waste of money compared to most vocational training.

If you're just looking for breadth of knowledge in today's world use Google.
 
JMaximus said:
Unless you plan to do something very specific with that piece of paper called a degree, a liberal arts education is certainly worth little and probably a general waste of money compared to most vocational training.

If you're just looking for breadth of knowledge in today's world use Google.
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You can Google all you want, but I don't think there is any substitute for taking a class, say, on Plato or Nietzsche with a good philosophy professor; or a class on the European enlightenment with a good history professor, or on the medieval Persian poetry of Rumi, studying the music of Beethoven with a professor at the music school, Studying the history of the Old and New Testaments with a professor in the religion department, etc, etc.... The insights offered in such live classroom settings, and with doing the work in class, are not just replaceable with a quick Google search. I firmly believe such classes broaden your vision on the world in a way that Google searches can't. It does give you a broader vision on the world. They enrich your view of the world. In fact, I think that that's something sorely missing in today's world. Because as abstract as such subjects may seem, they percolate down to the kind of decisions people make in their every day lives in very concrete and consequential ways.

Technical skills are great. They help you make a living. But as important as that is, there is more to the world than just that.
 
ataraxia said:
You can Google all you want, but I don't think there is any substitute for taking a class, say, on Plato or Nietzsche with a good philosophy professor; or a class on the European enlightenment with a good history professor, or on the medieval Persian poetry of Rumi, studying the music of Beethoven with a professor at the music school, Studying the history of the Old and New Testaments with a professor in the religion department, etc, etc.... The insights offered in such live classroom settings, and with doing the work in class, are not just replaceable with a quick Google search. I firmly believe such classes broaden your vision on the world in a way that Google searches can't. It does give you a broader vision on the world. They enrich your view of the world. In fact, I think that that's something sorely missing in today's world. Because as abstract as such subjects may seem, they percolate down to the kind of decisions people make in their every day lives in very concrete and consequential ways.

Technical skills are great. They help you make a living. But as important as that is, there is more to the world than just that.
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Technical skills aren't just great - they're essential. While you ponder the day away over Aristotle and Dostoevsky, people with "technical skills" are designing your fancy gadgets, growing your food, and working non-stop to keep your lights, heat, respirators, and MRIs on.

Learn a skill. Not just to make money, but to be useful. Save the philosophizing for when you get off work.
 
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