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ICE to deport wife of Marine, Iraq veteran Aug. 3

RetiredUSN said:
I have seen and heard of quite a few military spouses sent back to their home countries under every president from Carter to Clinton during my 20 years in. I knew two spouses personally. One from Ireland with a criminal record who married a Senior Chief that I partied with, and a Filipino who falsified paperwork.

My wife is from Great Yarmouth England, and we had to go through the Visa, green card, and naturalization process.

It's a shame that this Marine and his wife were too ****ing lazy to do it right...………... because they more than likely would have been just fine.
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That's exactly what it comes down to.

I had a 1stSgt who was From Trinidad and Tobago. He enlisted in our military and never got citizenship. He was furious in 2003 when I had to have my guys place a designator next to his name in the email system in order to comply with new security measures after 9/11. To get the mark off, he had to get his citizenship. A few months later, it came off. Almost twenty years in Active Duty service, and he had to be forced to get his citizenship. He was also a desk douche and an insignificant jerk, so...
 
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calamity said:
How does this not violate the rights of American citizen children and husband? There are three American citizens being violated here. One of them is a decorated Marine.

What. The. ****?
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I have all kinds of shiny ribbons and medals also.

Yeah, they look pretty cool, but have absolutely nothing to do with following a fairly easy (but time consuming) process.

Your decorated Marine didn't follow the rules, so right on cue...…….. you turn him into your next phony martyr of the day. :lamo
 
RetiredUSN said:
I have all kinds of shiny ribbons and medals also.

Yeah, they look pretty cool, but have absolutely nothing to do with following a fairly easy (but time consuming) process.

Your decorated Marine didn't follow the rules, so right on cue...…….. you turn him into your next phony martyr of the day. :lamo
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I think they are just permanently set to the "my feelz hurt" setting and frankly, it's starting to get really annoying.
 
MSgt said:
That's exactly what it comes down to.

I had a 1stSgt who was From Trinidad and Tobago. He enlisted in our military and never got citizenship. He was furious in 2003 when I had to have my guys place a designator next to his name in the email system in order to comply with new security measures after 9/11. To get the mark off, he had to get his citizenship. A few months later, it came off. Almost twenty years in Active Duty service, and he had to be forced to get his citizenship. He was also a desk douche and an insignificant jerk, so...
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The regs have been changed by DOD requirements to reflect that non US citizens may not serve a period of more than 8 years ( a single enlistment ), and must gain citizenship in order to remain in the service beyond that or to retire.
 
Polar Bum said:
The regs have been changed by DOD requirements to reflect that non US citizens may not serve a period of more than 8 years ( a single enlistment ), and must gain citizenship in order to remain in the service beyond that or to retire.
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Abouts when did that go into affect?
 
MSgt said:
Abouts when did that go into affect?
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2015-2016?

I would need to look at 601-210 again...but the obvious exceptions to that rule are US Territory Nationals.
 
Polar Bum said:
2015-2016?

I would need to look at 601-210 again...but the obvious exceptions to that rule are US Territory Nationals.
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Interesting. It seems that something like this would have come much sooner.
 
MSgt said:
Interesting. It seems that something like this would have come much sooner.
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You would think so.

I have no idea how or if this impacts Title 10 / National Guard.
 
cpwill said:
Marrying a Marine does not give one carte blanche to break the law. She had the opportunity to do the right thing, and chose not to. Unfortunately, choices often have consequences.
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More rabid right bull...carte blanche???? Seriously???? So she routinely broke the law because she married a Jarhead??? What did she even tear the label off her mattress as well??? :doh

There are many punishments for breaking the law... deportation of the spouse of a veteran (married 18 years not just a dodge marriage) shouldn't be one... :peace
 
Oborosen said:
Wow, just spewing everything you can, while not citing one scrap of information to the contrary might be a bad way to go about things.
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You obviously dont have much experience with that poster. He says whatever he is supposed to say like a good partisan poster. I doubt he knows the facts, but if he knew them, he wouldnt report them.

The fact is that in 2013..at its peak...of the 438,000 that the Obama admin deported 240,000 were NON criminals. In 2012, of the 418,000 the Obama admin deported, 218,000 were non criminals. Heck...even in 2009, of the 392,000 deported 260,000 were non criminals. So when he spews his bull**** about how they were focusing "the government's limited resources on deporting the violent criminals and other felons" he was either uninformed, or deliberately dishonest. Because he couldnt bring himself to actually speak the truth. And the truth is, the Obama admin did the exact same thing as the Trump admin. Proudly.
 
Master PO said:
correct! the president is the executive of the law, he only enforces law he does not make law. the constitution mandates that the president faithfully execute all laws, those presidents that do not, are not fulfilling there constitutional oath. Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers;]he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
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More rabid right bull crap...

The President can cancel any legal action with a pardon, in effect making exceptions to a law- is that 'faithful execution'??? if so then why not pardon wives of service members who have been good citizens??? He pardoned Arprio for good service to his county even after federal convictions.

Next is Executive Order where he basically redefines the law without consideration of Congress- why not sign a EO to exempt spouses of service members who are good citizens???

So cherry picking the Constitution is all well and good but the rest of the story is the President has latitude in how 'faithfully' the laws are executed... :peace
 
VanceMack said:
You obviously dont have much experience with that poster. He says whatever he is supposed to say like a good partisan poster. I doubt he knows the facts, but if he knew them, he wouldnt report them.

The fact is that in 2013..at its peak...of the 438,000 that the Obama admin deported 240,000 were NON criminals. In 2012, of the 418,000 the Obama admin deported, 218,000 were non criminals. Heck...even in 2009, of the 392,000 deported 260,000 were non criminals. So when he spews his bull**** about how they were focusing "the government's limited resources on deporting the violent criminals and other felons" he was either uninformed, or deliberately dishonest. Because he couldnt bring himself to actually speak the truth. And the truth is, the Obama admin did the exact same thing as the Trump admin. Proudly.
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I know that they adjusted the specific accounts for deportation at one point. Going so far a registering those that were turned away at the boarder as deportations. Kind of like how they changed the recognized number of people to count as a mass shooting a few years back.

Stuff that the normal individual wouldn't even rick coming across in their daily lives, without at least trying on their part.
 
notquiteright said:
More rabid right bull crap...

The President can cancel any legal action with a pardon, in effect making exceptions to a law- is that 'faithful execution'??? if so then why not pardon wives of service members who have been good citizens??? He pardoned Arprio for good service to his county even after federal convictions.

Next is Executive Order where he basically redefines the law without consideration of Congress- why not sign a EO to exempt spouses of service members who are good citizens???

So cherry picking the Constitution is all well and good but the rest of the story is the President has latitude in how 'faithfully' the laws are executed... :peace
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Executive orders do not change law. EOs only impact how existing law is enforced. The president does not have the power to change ANY laws, including immigration laws. He cant GRANT citizenship...because that is against the law.

Why do you think Obama only signed an EO temporarily preventing immigration from deporting the dreamers? Why do you think no one was given citizenship?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No...screw that...it IS precisely that. I DO GIVE them the "veteran pass" if only because other than crossing over, the two of them have been model Americans. So screw the binary dogmatic knee jerk reactionary bull****.
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If your first act in the country is to break the law and you continue to do so every day, it's difficult to understand how you can be considered model Americans.

To believe otherwise is binary dogmatic knee jerk reactionary bull****.
 
jimbo said:
If your first act in the country is to break the law and you continue to do so every day, it's difficult to understand how you can be considered model Americans.

To believe otherwise is binary dogmatic knee jerk reactionary bull****.
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I think you are stretching the idea of being a criminal. Sure, if we wish to reduce matters to their most basic form, she has been a criminal since illegally coming into the country. But her status as illegal or as a simple "criminal" is based entirely on a line drawn on a map. Certainly, we can be smarter than clinging to the reduction of matters to their simplest form. Obviously, I see the need for borders and the security of them in the modern age. But we are also a much smarter people than a line on a map makes us look.

This is precisely why we need to reform, not only our immigration policies but, the mechanisms in place that are expected to use discretion in order to apply those polices. One of the reasons racism became such a feature in our passport issuance and immigration laws in the 1920s, is that the laws, in many cases, were vague on how to express them. It was up to local agencies across the nation to interpret them and apply them in carrying out their duties. And since local and even individual racism became a part of the system, immigration policy was upheld unevenly across the board.

This issue right here is a good example. This is a long-time wife of a former Marine, who is apparently illegal, but being tossed into the same category as drug dealers and terrorists as being a "threat." When it comes to securing our borders from threats, she isn't it.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
And what bit of it says that the international law of allowing spouses to stay with thier family despite not otherwise being allowed to is not in play here?
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It was her second illegal entry. Which is a felony.
 
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And what bit of it says that the international law of allowing spouses to stay with thier family despite not otherwise being allowed to is not in play here?
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KevinKohler said:
It was her second illegal entry. Which is a felony.
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Er.....???????

Is that an answer? Which do you think is more important, the strict no flexibility interpretation of the law or these people's family life?

In essance what do you think the marine would be OK with giving his life for on the battle field; his family and the families of his countrymen or your rule book?
 
notquiteright said:
More rabid right bull crap...

The President can cancel any legal action with a pardon, in effect making exceptions to a law- is that 'faithful execution'??? if so then why not pardon wives of service members who have been good citizens??? He pardoned Arprio for good service to his county even after federal convictions.

Next is Executive Order where he basically redefines the law without consideration of Congress- why not sign a EO to exempt spouses of service members who are good citizens???

So cherry picking the Constitution is all well and good but the rest of the story is the President has latitude in how 'faithfully' the laws are executed... :peace
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yes the president can pardon, but you have not asked the question why in 18 years this woman has not sought her citizenship.

the president has no power to alter law.

in the powers of the president, two words are used "may and shall", when the word "may" is used it gives the president the power to decide for himself, when the word "shall" is used, the president has no choice, he must do.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
 
DiAnna said:
Exactly. She has been a model citizen for 20 years, her husband has served his country in the military, both of their daughters are U.S. citizens, and Trump's "zero tolerance, all illegals out now" policy destroys yet another family.
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No it is our immigration laws that congress passed that says she has to go.
She has had 38 years and 18 of those years to get her citizenship.

In no way is it trumps fault that she is being deported it is her and her husband.
what is going to be worse for him is if he lied about her status on his forms.
 
chuckiechan said:
They will probably issue her an emergency green card, but it has to done carefully or the Democrats will expand it to include millions.
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This is one way she could stay. She could petition for an emergency hearing as well.
 
calamity said:
How does this not violate the rights of American citizen children and husband? There are three American citizens being violated here. One of them is a decorated Marine.

What. The. ****?
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It doesn't violate their rights at all.
What rights does it violate?
 
Master PO said:
correct!

the president is the executive of the law, he only enforces law he does not make law.

the constitution mandates that the president faithfully execute all laws, those presidents that do not, are not fulfilling there constitutional oath.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
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What do you call Executive Orders, then? Suggestions?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I did, don't give a ****.
It's WRONG.

They can pay a fine and she can perform some kind of service or do something else to start the process to getting legal residency.
Deportation is the last resort, something one might do if perhaps she had a long criminal record, aside from crossing the border, like if she had committed multiple robberies or sold drugs, or something like that.
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She had 20 years to do so. :shrug:
 
Barnacle said:
She illegally entered the US of A ... twice. First time she received a "warning" and was returned to Mexico, second time she managed to evade the authorities for almost 20 years.
She was on record for her first illegal entry ... hence her problems now.


"... Juarez, 38, had been living inconspicuously in Davenport until a traffic stop in 2013 revealed her status as an undocumented immigrant.

She first attempted to enter the country illegally in May 1998 by lying to a Customs and Border Patrol agent that she was a U.S. citizen. After confessing that she was Mexican, she was extensively questioned by agents and signed paperwork that, unbeknownst to her, was a waiver of removal proceedings in exchange for an immediate release instead of a six-month stay in a federal detention center.

Juarez returned to Mexico but shortly thereafter crossed over into the U.S. undetected, eventually marrying Cuauhtemoc “Temo” Juarez, a naturalized citizen from Mexico. ..."


ICE delays deportation of Marine veteran's wife who is 'still waiting for my miracle' - Orlando Sentinel
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No sympathy
 
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