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GOP senator: Trump’s policies doing 'permanent damage'

lurchadams said:
The fact he's looking out for his actual constituents is admirable to me. It's more than what most of his GOP/Trump party colleagues are doing!
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Where was he earlier when this was obviously coming down the pike and he could have said something? Maybe take some sense into someone?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Where was he earlier when this was obviously coming down the pike and he could have said something? Maybe take some sense into someone?
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Oh wait he probably hadn't decided to jump ship back them.

Like I said an ulterior motive.
 
Helix said:
permanent? hard to say. they said the same thing about George W. Bush, and after his economic collapse, we still recovered. Trump is much worse, but permanent is a long time. if the dollar loses its role as the global reserve currency, that will be really bad for all Americans, as would a war led by a dip****. let's hope that enough people vote against in November.
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"Permanent" is a term that means different things in different contexts:
  • Financially (accounting-wise, if you prefer that term), losses are permanent. A dollar not earned today cannot ever after today be earned today, therefore it's permanently lost, that is, forever not earned.
  • Economically, yes, an economy can recover to and/or surpass the productivity point it was at prior to a contraction (depression or recession, depending on how great the contraction); however, the money not earned due to "this or that" decision that "put a kink in the works," so to speak is never recovered.
To the extent the speaker/writer meant accounting losses of revenue, it's not hard to say. The losses are permanent. And really, any business owner or individual who depends on receiving payments for goods sold or labor delivered may feel good some time down the road if/when they recover economically, they they'll always, all other things being equal, be financially worse off than they would have been were they to have earned those unearned dollars.
 
Moot said:
Sen. Johnson was in Moscow on July 4th presumably to talk tough with the Russians....but ended up kissing their butts. The Russians loved it.


"....On Russian state television, presenters and guests mocked the U.S. congressional delegation for appearing to put a weak foot forward, noting how the message of tough talk they promised in Washington “changed a bit” by the time they got to Moscow.

“We need to look down at them and say: You came because you needed to, not because we did,” Igor Korotchenko, a Russian military expert, said on a talk show on state-run television.

Links to the quotes were circulated on Twitter by Julia Davis of RussianMediaMonitor.com.

The congressional GOP’s prominent foreign policy voices have remained quiet about the trip, declining to comment about the visit’s significance...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...ffcabeff946_story.html?utm_term=.2af2e7ffdd79​


So much for truth to power, eh?

The GOP is harming the US no matter you try to slice and dice it.
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They received their instructions, and now Trump the Manchurian Candidate is receiving his.
They should all be tried for treason and hanged.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Agreed. To say it's O.K. don't worry because something is not permanent is absurd. The genocide of the Natives Americans and stealing of their land was not permanent so no big deal, the final solution was not permanent so no big deal, the depression was not permanent so no a big deal there, or the dust bowl, or...

The thing is if you're near retirement and some numbskull president sends the economy into a tailspin, wiping out your 401k, you won't be consoled by some idiot telling you it's only temporary.
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If I have to bury my disabled son because he can no longer get health insurance, it's not temporary.
If my wife loses her VA care because it got privatized, and I have to bury her too, it's not temporary either.
If I lose my Social Security because it got privatized, and then wiped out by Wall Street, it's not temporary.
If I lose my Medicare because it got privatized, it's not temporary either.
If my children get saddled with massive unemployment just as I am preparing to shuffle off this mortal coil, it's not temporary either.

The entire nonsensical post about it not being permanent is just what is expected from a person who is obviously comfortably insulated from the consequences.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
If I have to bury my disabled son because he can no longer get health insurance, it's not temporary.
If my wife loses her VA care because it got privatized, and I have to bury her too, it's not temporary either.
If I lose my Social Security because it got privatized, and then wiped out by Wall Street, it's not temporary.
If I lose my Medicare because it got privatized, it's not temporary either.
If my children get saddled with massive unemployment just as I am preparing to shuffle off this mortal coil, it's not temporary either.

The entire nonsensical post about it not being permanent is just what is expected from a person who is obviously comfortably insulated from the consequences.
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Well, the circumstances need not be as extreme as the examples you've given for the costs to yet be permanent. You merely having to shell out more money than you currently do is a permanent cost increase. The only way to make it be otherwise is to literally go back in time. That only happens in novels, on TV, and in movies.



All the "comfortable insulation" in the world won't alter the permanence. It may alter the extent to which one cares. FWIW, any gains are also permanent.
 
I remember when liberals were against free trade.Now they seem to be agreeing with the big business testicle lickers in office.
 
Xelor said:
"Permanent" is a term that means different things in different contexts:
  • Financially (accounting-wise, if you prefer that term), losses are permanent. A dollar not earned today cannot ever after today be earned today, therefore it's permanently lost, that is, forever not earned.
  • Economically, yes, an economy can recover to and/or surpass the productivity point it was at prior to a contraction (depression or recession, depending on how great the contraction); however, the money not earned due to "this or that" decision that "put a kink in the works," so to speak is never recovered.
To the extent the speaker/writer meant accounting losses of revenue, it's not hard to say. The losses are permanent. And really, any business owner or individual who depends on receiving payments for goods sold or labor delivered may feel good some time down the road if/when they recover economically, they they'll always, all other things being equal, be financially worse off than they would have been were they to have earned those unearned dollars.
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we're at the point in which we find out how much inertia can endure idiocy.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
If I have to bury my disabled son because he can no longer get health insurance, it's not temporary.
If my wife loses her VA care because it got privatized, and I have to bury her too, it's not temporary either.
If I lose my Social Security because it got privatized, and then wiped out by Wall Street, it's not temporary.
If I lose my Medicare because it got privatized, it's not temporary either.
If my children get saddled with massive unemployment just as I am preparing to shuffle off this mortal coil, it's not temporary either.

The entire nonsensical post about it not being permanent is just what is expected from a person who is obviously comfortably insulated from the consequences.
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Short break here in shade from brush, CS. Living off the land can be fun and rewarding. The Bull’s singing again.

I never miss the Business sections with everything, especially AG. I forget the guy who said diversify, but I must do this to save margin for my people on costs, like seed and fertilizer.

My advantage is having a life of average a$$ets where I want to see it work for the next generations. My Father and her Father are watching over me.
 
Helix said:
we're at the point in which we find out how much inertia can endure idiocy.
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I have no idea of what to make of that remark....Inertia is indifferent to everything.
 
Xelor said:
I have no idea of what to make of that remark....Inertia is indifferent to everything.
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inertia is what we're currently riding, IMO.
 
Xelor said:
Well, the circumstances need not be as extreme as the examples you've given for the costs to yet be permanent. You merely having to shell out more money than you currently do is a permanent cost increase. The only way to make it be otherwise is to literally go back in time. That only happens in novels, on TV, and in movies.



All the "comfortable insulation" in the world won't alter the permanence. It may alter the extent to which one cares. FWIW, any gains are also permanent.
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With regard to my son, prior to the ACA he was uninsurable...literally.
No insurance company would sell us a policy for him, at any cost, so it was not a matter of a cost increase.
 
Linc said:
Short break here in shade from brush, CS. Living off the land can be fun and rewarding. The Bull’s singing again.

I never miss the Business sections with everything, especially AG. I forget the guy who said diversify, but I must do this to save margin for my people on costs, like seed and fertilizer.

My advantage is having a life of average a$$ets where I want to see it work for the next generations. My Father and her Father are watching over me.
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I don't have any advantages except for one piece of real estate that is supposed to produce income and normally does, however that revenue is not reliable, and a couple of retail entertainment titles that I own the copyright to which I sell online.

Aside from that, it's going to be Social Security and Medicare, and that's it.

I used to have a 401K....USED TO, it got wiped out.
 
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jamesrage said:
I remember when liberals were against free trade.Now they seem to be agreeing with the big business testicle lickers in office.
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Funny, cuz I remember more right wingers saying liberals were against free trade, than liberals actually saying they were.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
With regard to my son, prior to the ACA he was uninsurable...literally.
No insurance company would sell us a policy for him, at any cost, so it was not a matter of a cost increase.
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Gotcha.....

I was just saying that the situation need not be that dire for the losses/costs to be permanent.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is doing his best to damage the administrative state as well as the schemes of the globalists....this is a Rebellion after all....

Trump does good work.
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Except for the fact that that isn't actually happening.
 
Fun how the right eat their own when they dare speak the truth, some things never change.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I don't have any advantages except for one piece of real estate that is supposed to produce income and normally does, however that revenue is not reliable, and a couple of retail entertainment titles that I own the copyright to which I sell online.

Aside from that, it's going to be Social Security and Medicare, and that's it.

I used to have a 401K....USED TO, it got wiped out.
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Wood is very good — right now — one stock I saw has jumped 22% this year already — the rest of the sensible free world has decided to try to stop dumping plastic in the oceans — not usA— in fact, wood would help trump cons the most — but not without new infrastructure—

It took all year for me to get this strong, and I’m still laboring. The RV saves out here. It can be done. Sorry to hear of the death in Yosemite for one of the plowers. I loved that place this early April.

Your VA and SS aren’t going anywhere. Relax, that’s where the older votes are, and gops know they vote. Back to brush.
 
Linc said:
Wood is very good — right now — one stock I saw has jumped 22% this year already — the rest of the sensible free world has decided to try to stop dumping plastic in the oceans — not usA— in fact, wood would help trump cons the most — but not without new infrastructure—

It took all year for me to get this strong, and I’m still laboring. The RV saves out here. It can be done. Sorry to hear of the death in Yosemite for one of the plowers. I loved that place this early April.

Your VA and SS aren’t going anywhere. Relax, that’s where the older votes are, and gops know they vote. Back to brush.
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They'll just damage the VA to the point where they can't do their jobs anymore.
Please, I know how the game works: Break the plow, then blame the farmer.

And the current hysteria over FAKE "unfunded liabilities" is driving the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader straight to Ayn Rand Land, so DON'T make the mistake of thinking SS is safe. They are counting on you to think that.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Where was he earlier when this was obviously coming down the pike and he could have said something? Maybe take some sense into someone?
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GOP lawmakers' testicles these days are so tiny that it takes them a while to find them?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Nothing is permanent in trade......nothing.
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If that's true it's a relief that when the Democrats are back in power in a couple of years the damage levied upon us by Trump and the pusillanimous GOP party can be repaired.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is doing his best to damage the administrative state as well as the schemes of the globalists....this is a Rebellion after all....

Trump does good work.
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Harming American workers and businesses: “Good work.”
 
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