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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Linc View Post
    **45 knows McConnellism cut Obama off at the knees on Russia in September 2016. So does everyone else. gops must be continually fact-checked on this, every single day.
    You want to say that in English?

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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The conversations mentioned in the indictment was from August 2016. Not sure why you're talking about 2015.

    I don't believe you made a mistake, I believe you deliberately posted things you knew were false. Just like you have repeatedly done in another thread about whether Americans did anything wrong according to the indictment.

    You have repeatedly posted things which are not true and even now you are trying to insinuate criminal actions against Awan which the government already cleared. In my opinion, that is as dishonest as it gets.


    You can't discuss the topic, which is Russia hacked both parties but only released one party's dirty laundry and then didn't even seemingly try to hack the Trump campaign. You can't discuss that so you continue to post dishonest insinuations and falsehoods.
    What's dishonest is your lying comments of what I actually posted.

    My only mistake with Anwan is not using the word alleged in listing things he was being investigated for and I posted a link that indeed that proved Anwan was under investigation by the FBI for months of the very things I stated and the prosecutor determined there wasn't enough there to charge him and offered Anwan a plea deal where he pled guilty to bank fraud.
    And all this just became news recently. But that doesn't change the fact that while Anwan was the IT guy for House Dems he was also involved in criminal behavior.

    I also posted a link to a WSJ piece that did show attempts to hack the RNC using the same tactics as was done to the DNC. It was thwarted because of the cyber security the RNC has in place. If it wasn't for the cyber security there would have been a good chance that the RNC emails would have been posted on Wikileaks, DCLeaks etc.

    There's been discussion in this thread on why didn't the DNC allow the FBI to identify the extent of the intrusion? Instead they hired a private company called Crowdstrike and in Mueller's indictment it reveals this company did not completely remove the intruders as Debbie Wasserman Shultz, DNC officials had claimed in June 2016 and that the Russians continued to hack the DNC clear up till October 2016.
    https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bea...nal-committee/




    In the indictment read #32 and #34 describing how the company the DNC hired didn't get the job done and continued to be hacked through Oct. 2016
    read #37 though Guccifer wasn't successful in hacking the RNC they were able to hack personal accounts of those who associate with the Republican party and posted them online.
    read #42 in what Guccifer 2.0 response was about Company 1 (Crowdstrike) that had supposedly had identified the intruders and removed them.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download


    It's a crying shame the DNC didn't immediately allow the FBI to inspect their server and opted for a private company instead. It might have thwarted the hacks five months earlier.

    It's a crying shame that Hillary Clinton was so negligent and careless with her private server and the practices of persons associated with her transferring emails to unsecured locations.
    The reports out there that her server was compromised by foreign entities should be scary to everyone because of the nature of her position as Secretary of State

    It's a crying shame that House Dems used an IT guy that turned out to be involved in criminal activity while he was employed by the Dems. Some of these Dems served on sensitive committees such as the Intelligence committee. It was the capitol police that first started investigating Anwan over irregularities and later the FBI was called in. An IT guy has to be above reproach period.


    Cyber Security is the upmost importance. And the Democrats have learned that lesson the hard way.
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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What's dishonest is your lying comments of what I actually posted.


    I don't believe you made a mistake, I believe you deliberately posted things you knew were false. Just like you have repeatedly done in another thread about whether Americans did anything wrong according to the indictment.

    You have repeatedly posted things which are not true and even now you are trying to insinuate criminal actions against Awan which the government already cleared. In my opinion, that is as dishonest as it gets. You can't discuss the topic, which is Russia hacked both parties but only released one party's dirty laundry and then didn't even seemingly try to hack the Trump campaign. You can't discuss that so you continue to post dishonest insinuations and falsehoods.

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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Quoting an opinion article isn't likely to do that...
    Responding just to your bold:

    1) Does not preclude the possibility of those communicating with Russians who knew who they were communicating with, as we've established Stone did.
    2) Correct...THIS indictment does not. It also does not preclude any future indictments of the sort. What this indictment DOES do is lay out actions taken by US persons which is clearly illegal.
    3) 100% false. Trump Jr., responding to the offer of a meeting to get Russian dirt on Clinton, from a Russian agent, with the response of "I love it" and then taking the meeting, is 100% compelling evidence of collusion.
    4) It is, however, a crime for a US candidate for Congress to request and receive the stolen information of the candidate's opponent, for the obvious reason of assisting their campaign. The fourth line you bolded from the author was incredibly dishonest and the author knows it. Furthermore, the indictment also noted one reported responded to the receipt of the stolen information by "discussing when to release the documents and offering to write an article about their release". The author was incredibly dishonest here.
    5&6) The author ignores the other conversations Stone had with Guccifer 2.0, thus indicating an ongoing conversation, as Stone himself presented.

    What really matters is that an advisor to the Trump had ongoing conversations with Russian intelligence about stolen materials. US Congressional candidate requested and received stolen information for the benefit of his/her campaign. Russian intelligence engaged in numerous and repeated hacking attempts/successes against Trump opponents for the now established fact of helping the Trump campaign. One of those hacking attempts happened within a 24 hour period of Donald Trump requesting it. Trump campaign met multiple times with Russian agents and spies. When Trump team was offered dirt illegally obtained through hacks by known Russian agents, the Trump team jumped at the opportunity and met with them, a meeting which took place only a day after the DCLeaks website went live.

    What really matters is we have significant evidence there was a lot of illegal things going on.

    Unless you examine the facts which are already known which provide plenty of evidence and assume there are plenty of facts we still don't know (for example, the fact US Congressional candidates were requesting stolen information).
    As I might have mentioned before, I hate to write & read long posts.
    So let me summarize with a key statement from that opinion writer, the Doctor of Law, the "American lawyer, legal scholar, writer, commentator, and legal analyst in broadcast and print journalism","professor of law at the George Washington University Law School." - "That does not mean, however, that it is a crime for reporters or academics or political activists to review such information if they did not play a role in illegal removal."

    Slyfox696 vs Jonathan Turley is not a fair fight. I trust you realize that.
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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    ... Russia hacked both parties ... didn't even seemingly try to hack the Trump campaign. ...
    Trying to hack the RNC doesn't count?
    Russia's attempts to hack GOP reportedly fail because of spam filter - Business Insider
    I bet you anticipated needing a "that's different" excuse. Amiright?
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    Re: Roger Stone Communicated With Russian Hackers, Mueller Indictment Suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    How bout you get back to us when you have information?

    Unsourced speculation does not cut it.

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    Uhh, the indictment is the source.

    From Indictment: Guccifer 2.0 was run by Russian agents.

    From Roger Stone’s Own ****ing Twitter: Roger Stone communicated with Guccifer 2.0.

    Which of these two things is unsourced and/or speculation?
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