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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Trump never met a despot he didn't like. Putin, Kim, Erdogan..
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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How is isolating America from it's allies supporting it? Why has every Trumper become blind and dumb? How can Trump be right when every nation despises him except dictatorships? Making enemies of our allies is just what Putin wants but why do you want it too?
    It's actually forcing them to carry their own weight, which is good for America. You all act as if these world leaders get their feelings hurt easily...they only care about staying in power.
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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    https://nypost.com/2018/07/11/trump-...ish-strongman/

    President Trump chatted up Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as they headed for a group photo at the NATO summit in Belgium Wednesday — choosing the authoritarian leader’s company over that of America’s longtime European allies.

    Trump and Erdogan — who on Monday put his son-in-law in charge of a new combined ministry of treasury and finance, further solidifying his power — were among the last to take the stage for the group photo.

    And unlike the NATO summit in May 2017 — where the president famously shoved Montenegro’s Prime Minister Dusko Markovic out of the way so he could be in the front row of the group photo — other leaders gave him plenty of space and he stood alone, front and center.
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    Trump & Erdogan - buddies. Trump admires strongmen like Putin & Erdogan.
    Spin, spin, spin...and lie.

    Look at the picture again...Trump is NOT "front and center". Tusk is.

    And yes...I'm sure Trump would rather deal with the important leaders of the world over the weenies in the EU. Doesn't mean he admires them. Just means they are more worth his time and effort.
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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    ruling by decree is easier than governing, so he envies those who can do it. it means less of that annoying thinking thing that he's not very good at.
    Mmhmmm ... don't we know that ...

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    ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward ..."



    Unfortunately, the kind of help Americans needed - jobs, jobs, jobs - never came ...

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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    Mmhmmm ... don't we know that ...

    “We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,”

    ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward ..."



    Unfortunately, the kind of help Americans needed - jobs, jobs, jobs - never came ...
    from the WSJ :

    BN-KP041_JOBS_Q_G_20151002092751.jpg

    have to take into account that unions have been gutted and automation is a significant factor, so real wages didn't grow as much as they could have.

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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    https://nypost.com/2018/07/11/trump-...ish-strongman/

    President Trump chatted up Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as they headed for a group photo at the NATO summit in Belgium Wednesday — choosing the authoritarian leader’s company over that of America’s longtime European allies.

    Trump and Erdogan — who on Monday put his son-in-law in charge of a new combined ministry of treasury and finance, further solidifying his power — were among the last to take the stage for the group photo.

    And unlike the NATO summit in May 2017 — where the president famously shoved Montenegro’s Prime Minister Dusko Markovic out of the way so he could be in the front row of the group photo — other leaders gave him plenty of space and he stood alone, front and center.
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    Trump & Erdogan - buddies. Trump admires strongmen like Putin & Erdogan.
    Silly Juvenal article written by someone who thinks international relations is conducted on the level of a frat house party.

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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean we bombed the **** out Hitlers factories so he could not produce armaments. German weapon superiority was greatly exaggerated too.
    American bombers were sitting ducks for the ME-109s. We just filled the skys with bombers to counter their advantage and the same with tanks.

    The tiger tank was vastly superior to the US Sherman tank. We just overwhelmed them with sheer numbers. we could manufacture armaments unopposed with no threat of our factories being bombed
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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    from the WSJ :

    BN-KP041_JOBS_Q_G_20151002092751.jpg

    have to take into account that unions have been gutted and automation is a significant factor, so real wages didn't grow as much as they could have.
    Helix, I was talking about jobs, joBS, JOBS.
    No matter what graphs and statistics you're gonna dig out, reality did not match them.

    My husband has been a self-employed long-distance truck driver for the last 20 years. He has a flatbed and hauls just about anything and everything that doesn't need refrigeration.
    He avoids the west coast because of the trucking restrictions, and he avoids the north east because of the unions.

    At the time Obama was elected, a decline in business had already started. Our hope was that main street would pick up under Obama. However, more restrictions were put on businesses and closing of businesses accelerated, which also led to the shutting down of several small and a couple of large trucking companies. My husband saw truck drivers who abandoned their company trucks because their company had shut down overnight without paying them their last check. My husband took loads for companies that existed 5 days ago but no longer the day he delivered.

    And that happened everywhere in the US of A - thousands of people were out of jobs without a warning.

    Self-employed and small businesses had their health insurance policies cancelled at least 4 years ago because of Obamacare. The first year Obamacare had us by the short-and-curlies and we didn't even dare to go and see a doctor. The following year I told my husband to skip a few loads - which wasn't too difficult as loads were hard to come by -, which put us into a lower income bracket for Obamacare. In other words: if you work less, you got better benefits regarding health insurance.

    When Trump was elected, we were at a point where I was looking for a job to keep us afloat. Within half a year after the election, things started to change on main street. Companies increased their output, buyers increased their orders, "dead" companies were started up again by new entrepreneurs and something that we've never encountered before in 20 years of trucking: open checkbook - the guy who needs the goods to be hauled tells you: "Name your price - I'm desperate."

    My husband sees the economy booming on a daily basis - all across the continental US of A (except, of course, for those places I mentioned above).

    So, forget your graphs and any possible statistics. Obama was a POS for those people who did not receive a paycheck from the state or federal government.
    Obama was a POS for main street, no matter what any statistics or graphs show - Obama counted part-time jobs as sufficient.
    The people who drew those graphs did not receive their paycheck from main street jobs - they didn't even know what was going on in the real world.

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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Our Western European NATO partners owe this Nation a extreme debt of gratutude, and no Im not talking about the USs involvement in WWII
    I get why we needed to protect these Nations right after the war. Europe was in shambles and the Soviets were on Germany's doorstep. Initially we had to match the Soviets militarily, but that commitment somehow turned into a opened ended agreement that spanned decades costing the US trillions of dollars in defense spending. Europe and Canada could have built up their military capabilities decades ago, but they we're more then willing to let the US spend trillions of dollars on defense while they spent their money experimenting with Socialism. NATO was founded in 1949, and nearly 70 yesrs letter they can't even meet their agreed upon 2% of GDP defense spending targets. This Nation owes then nothing
    That gratitude isn't one that can be demanded everything a conservative wonk rallies their base...

    We GLADLY spent that money to keep a market share for our undamaged industries. We made a fortune rebuilding Europe and only once our former enemies rebuilt themselves to the point of serious competition did we start to complain about 'fair share' of mutual defense. Europe would be the battlefield if the Warsaw Pact came across, that is payment enough, allowing the USofA a battle field far away from our shores. But we spent those trillions against our enemy be it in Korea, Vietnam, or in Europe. The other nation's really didn't matter- Asians, Europeans, Africans, Arabs, we fought against the enemies of our economic empire.

    Canada and England has no such world wide economic empire and no real means to support one as the collapse of the British Empire after WWII showed. Perhaps we too are in a collapse as well after our 'brilliant' victory in the Cold War where part of the spoils of that victory was becoming the largest debtor nation on the planet...

    Time will tell and Trump is doing us or Europe a shameful service by courting Putin and slamming Europe... But then again when Europe balked at joining Bush's NeoCon 'crusade' in Iraq his cabal of arrogant asses harrumphed about 'old Europe' and embrace 'new Europe' which sent a handful of soldiers we had to feed and pay...

    But I'm sure the 'pay they fair share' plays well to the MAGA crowd...

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    Re: Trump ditches European allies to bro out with Turkish strongman

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    Helix, I was talking about jobs, joBS, JOBS.
    No matter what graphs and statistics you're gonna dig out, reality did not match them.

    My husband has been a self-employed long-distance truck driver for the last 20 years. He has a flatbed and hauls just about anything and everything that doesn't need refrigeration.
    He avoids the west coast because of the trucking restrictions, and he avoids the north east because of the unions.

    At the time Obama was elected, a decline in business had already started. Our hope was that main street would pick up under Obama. However, more restrictions were put on businesses and closing of businesses accelerated, which also led to the shutting down of several small and a couple of large trucking companies. My husband saw truck drivers who abandoned their company trucks because their company had shut down overnight without paying them their last check. My husband took loads for companies that existed 5 days ago but no longer the day he delivered.

    And that happened everywhere in the US of A - thousands of people were out of jobs without a warning.

    Self-employed and small businesses had their health insurance policies cancelled at least 4 years ago because of Obamacare. The first year Obamacare had us by the short-and-curlies and we didn't even dare to go and see a doctor. The following year I told my husband to skip a few loads - which wasn't too difficult as loads were hard to come by -, which put us into a lower income bracket for Obamacare. In other words: if you work less, you got better benefits regarding health insurance.

    When Trump was elected, we were at a point where I was looking for a job to keep us afloat. Within half a year after the election, things started to change on main street. Companies increased their output, buyers increased their orders, "dead" companies were started up again by new entrepreneurs and something that we've never encountered before in 20 years of trucking: open checkbook - the guy who needs the goods to be hauled tells you: "Name your price - I'm desperate."

    My husband sees the economy booming on a daily basis - all across the continental US of A (except, of course, for those places I mentioned above).

    So, forget your graphs and any possible statistics. Obama was a POS for those people who did not receive a paycheck from the state or federal government.
    Obama was a POS for main street, no matter what any statistics or graphs show - Obama counted part-time jobs as sufficient.
    The people who drew those graphs did not receive their paycheck from main street jobs - they didn't even know what was going on in the real world.
    you can dismiss the graphs all you want; i don't much care. i was also out of work in 2009, and the stimulus helped me to be able to COBRA for nine months until i found a job as an independent contractor. then i picked myself up from there.

    do i really feel that either side cares much about me? not really. however, if you're one of those who wants to pretend that the recovery started on January 20th of 2017 when Trump took the helm, then i will point out that you're incorrect.

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