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GOP senator: Report that North Korea will not denuclearize 'very troubling'

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http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...ort-that-north-korea-will-not-denuclearize-is

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Sunday expressed concerns about a Washington Post report that found North Korea allegedly does not intend to denuclearize.

“This is a very troubling report, there’s no doubt about it,” Collins said on CNN's “State of the Union.”

“North Korea has a long history of cheating on agreements that it’s made with previous administrations,” Collins said, urging President Trump to remain vigilant on North Korea.
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Well at least The Donald got his photo op, which is what really counted.
 
JacksinPA said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...ort-that-north-korea-will-not-denuclearize-is

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Sunday expressed concerns about a Washington Post report that found North Korea allegedly does not intend to denuclearize.

“This is a very troubling report, there’s no doubt about it,” Collins said on CNN's “State of the Union.”

“North Korea has a long history of cheating on agreements that it’s made with previous administrations,” Collins said, urging President Trump to remain vigilant on North Korea.
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Well at least The Donald got his photo op, which is what really counted.
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Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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What I saw from that summit was Trump's weakness as a negotiator. He gave away the military exercises & got nothing in return. Kim is likely laughing his donkey off.
 
JacksinPA said:
What I saw from that summit was Trump's weakness as a negotiator. He gave away the military exercises & got nothing in return. Kim is likely laughing his donkey off.
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I notice that you didn't even attempt to answer my questions. Not surprised.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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"North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat to the US" - Donald Trump

IMO no other POTUS has ever come out to make such a definitive declaration concerning North Korea.

Any POTUS that would make such a statement, no matter what the president's name is, deserves to get **** on.

Trump's statement is many things; bombastic, careless, reckless, and a blatant LIE, among other things.

Getting **** on for such an asinine statement is actually nothing ...........

Do you not understand that Trump is a LIAR?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try?
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If what he did is called a "try", then yes, I preferred he didn't try it. If you want to get something out of a longtime enemy, you don't call them a few mean names then take their word for it when they say they'll do exactly what you want.

Why would anyone look at NK's behavior in building up the nuke program and conclude that, yes, they did all that just to turn around and give it up. NK knows China has its back unless it shoots first and it has many ways of evading sanctions sufficiently to keep the party in power, so it really doesn't have to worry about Trump's bluster. It's also why they didn't have to worry about other Presidents "trying", but at least other Presidents weren't so naive as to say "sure, we'll stop exercises with our ally and just take your word that you'll work toward denuclearization; and no we don't need a timetable from you"
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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Other Presidents didn’t declare victory before even talking to lil Kim
 
Deuce said:
Other Presidents didn’t declare victory before even talking to lil Kim
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That's because none of them talked to North Korea. From the BBC:

Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un have become the first sitting US president and North Korean leader to meet, an unprecedented development after a year of exchanging threats. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44435035
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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Trump's "Try" was nothing more than a glorified Dog and Pony. Never mind he already proclaimed Mission Accomplished. And his followers were talking of a Nobel for the flim flam man.


What a ****ing sham.
 
nota bene said:
The victory is in coming to the table. :roll:
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I guess that unless Trump walked away with denuclearization, a peace treaty, and trade agreements, the whole enchilada was a complete failure in the estimation of some.
 
humbolt said:
I guess that unless Trump walked away with denuclearization, a peace treaty, and trade agreements, the whole enchilada was a complete failure in the estimation of some.
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Except for the undeniable fact that Trump is the first sitting President to meet with a North Korean leader. Too bad that some are so churlish that they're unwilling to give credit, however scant, where it's due.
 
So to all you Trump failed people: did you really expect that Kim would rush home and have everything dismantled by today?

Trump did something no other president had done and it took time just to get that far and you can't wait to dig him because it did not happen in a matter of weeks?

Here is today, a realistic expectation of what it takes....

NKorea Can Dismantle Most of Nuclear Program in a Year

White House national security adviser John Bolton said on Sunday he believed the bulk of North Korea's weapons programs could be dismantled within a year, although some experts say the complete process could take far longer.
Bolton told CBS's "Face the Nation" that Washington has devised a program to dismantle North Korea's weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear - and ballistic missile programs in a year, if there is full cooperation and disclosure from Pyongyang.

"If they have the strategic decision already made to do that and they're cooperative, we can move very quickly," he said. "Physically we would be able to dismantle the overwhelming bulk of their programs within a year."
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-b...dismantle-north-korean-arsenal-within-a-year/
 
nota bene said:
Except for the undeniable fact that Trump is the first sitting President to meet with a North Korean leader. Too bad that some are so churlish that they're unwilling to give credit, however scant, where it's due.
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If nothing changes with NK, what's our victory exactly?

The goal was never simply for a US President to meet NK's current evil dictator. It was for them to meet (or not) but either way for certain things to happen as a result.

If it turns out that things are the same, then any victory is the NK regime's because it can play the meeting to its people.





It's too early to talk about victories. We need to see what actually happens. Recent news is not inspiring.
 
JacksinPA said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...ort-that-north-korea-will-not-denuclearize-is

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Sunday expressed concerns about a Washington Post report that found North Korea allegedly does not intend to denuclearize.

“This is a very troubling report, there’s no doubt about it,” Collins said on CNN's “State of the Union.”

“North Korea has a long history of cheating on agreements that it’s made with previous administrations,” Collins said, urging President Trump to remain vigilant on North Korea.
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Well at least The Donald got his photo op, which is what really counted.
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Collins should know better than to give credence to anything WaPo says.
 
humbolt said:
I guess that unless Trump walked away with denuclearization, a peace treaty, and trade agreements, the whole enchilada was a complete failure in the estimation of some.
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Even if he did all that, it would still be a failure to the Trump haters because he didn't do it yesterday.
 
Mycroft said:
Even if he did all that, it would still be a failure to the Trump haters because he didn't do it yesterday.
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Well, they're an impatient lot that has had to resort to pushing unfounded, wholesale fear of late. I don't expect much reality from them. They're lost, screaming at the sky.
 
JacksinPA said:
What I saw from that summit was Trump's weakness as a negotiator. He gave away the military exercises & got nothing in return. Kim is likely laughing his donkey off.
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Will you stop repeating this lie? If it's true north korea is not denuclearizing, we can restart exercises at any point. Nothing is stopping us. We did not "give away" military exercises. It's not like we gave them money, and it's too late to take it back now(Iran).
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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Stop, please.
No one preferred he didn't try.
They ridiculed him for pinning unrealistic, even childish expectations and then doing a victory lap before he was even back on Air Force One.
My God, he even had his planners over there getting ready to break ground on McDonalds and a Trump hotel, and promising absurd fantasies.
And you people ridicule us for liking when Oprah does it?

DJT seems to think that everyone else in the world is in on his reality tee vee show script, and that they're all eager to play along.
At least Oprah KNOWS she's just a tee vee show! She was even smart enough to know she shouldn't be President!

Why is it you people can't see through the long con that's happening here? Most of us cheered and said,
"As perverted and crazy all as this sounds, if Trump can out-crazy Kim and get him to concede even one thing, it will be amazing."

But we were jaded and skeptical because we've actually been paying attention all along, and some of us actually have a goddam clue about the Kim dynasty. But no, Trump and the lot of you, the largest Greek chorus in the galaxy, couldn't wait to lambast and attack everyone who didn't fall to their knees and offer up the fatted calf on the Altar of Trump before he even landed in Singapore.

It was just the skepticism of low expectations. Kim is a master of bait and switch, and false promises. And he's China's unruly redheaded stepchild.
Like Castro, the Kim dynasty has outlasted over a dozen presidential administrations and yet the one thing all fourteen administrations HAVE DONE SUCCESSFULLY is CONTAIN the sonofabitch.

But that just goes right over your heads as if it's meaningless because we aren't impressed with your Mommy.
We all know that you love Trump the way four year olds love Mommy, because Mommy is PERFECT and anyone who doesn't think so is very bad and must be destroyed.

Now, if you don't mind, the grownups need to talk for a few minutes.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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JacksinPA said:
What I saw from that summit was Trump's weakness as a negotiator. He gave away the military exercises & got nothing in return. Kim is likely laughing his donkey off.
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Kal'Stang said:
I notice that you didn't even attempt to answer my questions. Not surprised.
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Same general thing I said to nota:


If nothing changes with NK, what's our victory exactly? That he "tried"? Shouldn't the question be and what has been accomplished? The goal was never simply for a US President to meet NK's current evil dictator. It was for them to meet (or not) but either way for certain things to happen as a result.

If it turns out that things are the same, then any victory is the NK regime's because it can play the meeting to its people. We gave up joint exercises with SK (which frankly don't matter much beyond show), but got what? Prisoners they took as bargaining chips? A vague promise to "work towards" denuclearization?

"Trying" isn't the problem. It's the way he went about it and then declared victory over a non-victory. Meanwhile Kim gets to tell his people that not only did he get the U.S. President - their great enemy - to meet with him, but to give up military exercises with their evil SK foes.

It's ridiculous for you to suggest we boil this complex situation down to whether a President "tried", just so you can attack someone for now praising Trump's effort to "try". This was the worst "try" yet, not that any of them had a real chance of succeeding so long as China has NK's back.








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And about that first post, many can play that game....

Kal'Stang said:
Would you have preferred that he didn't even try? Do you also crap on all the other Presidents who have tried? Or is this just a Trump thing?
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....do you also play the false equivalence game to defend Democrats/Liberals? Or is this just a Republican/Conservative thing?
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
Will you stop repeating this lie? If it's true north korea is not denuclearizing, we can restart exercises at any point. Nothing is stopping us. We did not "give away" military exercises. It's not like we gave them money, and it's too late to take it back now(Iran).
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Trump got conned, admit it
 
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