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Trump Administration Wants Natives to be Considered a Race Rather than Sovereign Nations

If they are sovereign govts, why are they getting all this assistance?

White Guilt? It's a messed up system all around.

The United States is home to 3.1 million Native Americans. In comparison to the rest of the population, this number is a very small amount (only .9%).[10] American Indians have historically lived in extreme poverty. With the rise of Indian gaming enterprises, the problem of poverty may have been variously addressed in select areas. Yet, while Native Americans have begun to take more control of their tribal economies and have begun to improve situations, poverty on Indian Reservations is still a major issue. The U.S. Census in both 1990 and 2000 indicates that poverty has prevailed on reservations; to this day, Native Americans have the highest poverty and unemployment rates in the United States. The poverty rate of Native Americans is 25%.[11]

Incomes of Native Americans tend to be low, and unemployment rates are usually high. For example, the unemployment rate on the Blackfoot Reservation in Montana has been 69%. This is in comparison to the American national unemployment rate of 6.7% as of 4 April 2014,[12] or even during the worst part of the Great Depression at 25%.[13] According to the 2000 Census, Indians living in Indian country have incomes that are less than half of the general U.S. population.[14] The US Census reports that the median income of households based on a three-year average from 2003-2005 was $33,627.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_social_statistics_of_Native_Americans
 
That is pretty unlikely. Atlanta was originally built as a railroad terminus, and some such terminus was inevitably going to be built somewhere in the vicinity. The land on which Atlanta sits was chosen because of its favorable properties, it cuts (or did at the time) between two forests, and is about halfway between Montgomery and Charlotte. The surrounding land is highly arable. My people would have been happy to have accepted a land-use fee, which could easily have been accomodated within existing treaties.

On the other hand, reservations were located on land no one wanted. The land is not arable, has no or few mineral resources (or didn't at the time), and is generally crappy.

Saying that there's no reason Indians cannot be as prosperous as anyone else in America is kinda like the following. Suppose a monopoly game is going between friends, and then a gang busts in, throws the players off the table, shoots four out of the five, and then starts the game over. Once every property, utility, and railroad is owned and developed by this new gang, they invite the lone survivor back to the table, legislate that instead of $200 dollars he collects only $20, and then heckles him for not being as prosperous on the gameboard as they are after a few turns.

Indians 'owned' the land that is now Atlanta for what? a thousand years? The land didn't become valuable until non-Indians made it a place of value. As for the reservations being on crappy land, what would you consider Las Vegas or Phoenix? As for the reservations, nothing is keeping you there. People are free to leave and purchase property and seek employment anywhere in the US, or take the land that is there and turn it into something of value. It just might be that it is clinging to the traditions and values of the past is what is holding back the native Americans from prospering. Could be they are in a prison of their own making.
 
Let me get this straight, for centuries we were told that the Native Americans wanted to live according to their culture, off the land. Why aren't they doing it? I mean they were living the life of luxury before the white man showed up and stole it all, right?

It's a lot of politics and bs, greed and stupidity.
 
Indians 'owned' the land that is now Atlanta for what? a thousand years?

More like twelve thousand...

The land didn't become valuable until non-Indians made it a place of value.

Obviously false:

1. Valuable to whom? It was quite valuable to the Indians. They just did Indian things with it, not European things.

2. It was valuable enough while Indians still had complete control of it for Jackson and his bunch to organize and commit mass murder and wholesale relocation of the peoples living in those areas.

As for the reservations being on crappy land, what would you consider Las Vegas or Phoenix?

Cities built on crappy land by people who had the wealth to do so, because they stole all the good land from the Indians.

As for the reservations, nothing is keeping you there.

I appreciate the information, but I think I was already aware of that since I don't live on a reservation. I could, obviously, but there aren't very many universities on reservations, and the one at which I work is not.

A great many Indians living on reservations are too poor to afford bus fare to the nearest city, so that circumstance obviously is keeping at least those individuals there.

People are free to leave and purchase property and seek employment anywhere in the US, or take the land that is there and turn it into something of value.

Being (legally) free to take some action is only a necessary condition to taking that action, and certainly not the only one. It is also necessary to have the power to take the action, and not everyone has the requisite power. See example about bus fare.

It just might be that it is clinging to the traditions and values of the past is what is holding back the native Americans from prospering. Could be they are in a prison of their own making.

Possible, sure. You'll have to post a convincing argument that such is the case, though, if you're trying to convince anyone that such is the case. Almost anything is possible--doesn't mean it's true.
 
Let me get this straight, for centuries we were told that the Native Americans wanted to live according to their culture, off the land. Why aren't they doing it? I mean they were living the life of luxury before the white man showed up and stole it all, right?

That life requires a low population density, which was changed by violent force. What you're doing is like draining a lake and then asking why people don't fish.
 
That life requires a low population density, which was changed by violent force. What you're doing is like draining a lake and then asking why people don't fish.

There's been plenty of time to correct that. The victimhood needs to end some time. Other people come over here and make a life for themselves, but the people that have been here for thousands of years or just a few hundred can't seem to cope.
 
There's been plenty of time to correct that. The victimhood needs to end some time. Other people come over here and make a life for themselves, but the people that have been here for thousands of years or just a few hundred can't seem to cope.

I guess they're just dummies, huh?

:rolleyes
 
I guess they're just dummies, huh?

:rolleyes

I guess they are, or someone has taught them that they're owed a living. I guess I'm being redundant, both ways takes stupidity.
 
I guess they are, or someone has taught them that they're owed a living. I guess I'm being redundant, both ways takes stupidity.

No, you're being racist.
 
It's racist to contend that Native Americans must be wards of the court, maintained by the federal government because they can't make it on their own, for their own good. Smacks of slavery on the government plantation. If they are a sovereign people, act like it. Take care of their own and don't depend on government handouts. Those handouts make them even further dependent on government.

How different, really, is the current system from the days when the agency handed out beef and blankets to reservation indians? Maybe time to take charge of their future.
 
When the whites in South Africa set up the apartheid system (separate homelands for blacks) they patterned it after the USA indian reservation system.

When you come to think about it - Indian reservations are American apartheid.
 
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