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Trump Administration Wants Natives to be Considered a Race Rather than Sovereign Nations

Top Cat said:
FFS run along. Jezzzzzus H Keeerist you really can't read. :lamo
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Did you read your own link? It seems not since you are incapable of explaining or expanding upon it.
 
Fletch said:
You are a progressive, but not a democrat. That leaves what? Antifa?
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The GOP was progressive for the first hundred years of its existence. There was still room for people like me until recently, when the GOP decided that depriving Obama of any political win was more important than jobs, veterans, investing in infrastructure, etc.

This was truly a case of "I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me." I merely made the split official when the GOP showed they were so regressive that they would embrace Donald Trump and the noxious positions which he had taken in order to curry favor with the far right.



But the things which stopped me from being a Democrat for all those years still exist, so I'm still not a Democrat.
 
Amelia said:
The GOP was progressive for the first hundred years of its existence. There was still room for people like me until recently, when the GOP decided that depriving Obama of any political win was more important than jobs, veterans, investing in infrastructure, etc.

This was truly a case of "I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me." I merely made the split official when the GOP showed they were so regressive that they would embrace Donald Trump and the noxious positions which he had taken in order to curry favor with the far right.



But the things which stopped me from being a Democrat for all those years still exist, so I'm still not a Democrat.
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Ok, fair enough.
 
Fletch said:
Did you read your own link? It seems not since you are incapable of explaining or expanding upon it.
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The stupidity is beyond ludicrous. Explains why you are never taken seriously.
 
Top Cat said:
The stupidity is beyond ludicrous. Explains why you are never taken seriously.
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Its obvious you have no ability to answer the question. You posted a link and are incapable of discussing it. Not sure why I thought otherwise
 
KevinKohler said:
Yeah, won't fly. If they're a race and not a nation, then no more casinos. Which is a major cash cow.
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You bet your ass they will fight tooth and nail to keep that cow grazing as well.
 
The Indians can keep their medicine man if they want to.
 
Fledermaus said:
I am all for the US Government holding up their end of the treaties they signed... Hell, I believe the US Government screwed the Native Americans in many places and many ways.
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So, if you believe that, and you realize the kind of wealth we would have if the United States lived up to its promises, I'm not sure I understand why free health care would be a big deal. If the United States did what it said (in writing, via ratified treaty) it would do initially, my family would own all of what is now Atlanta, Georgia...which I think would mean we could afford whatever medical bills came our way. Many other Indians are in the same position.
 
ashurbanipal said:
So, if you believe that, and you realize the kind of wealth we would have if the United States lived up to its promises, I'm not sure I understand why free health care would be a big deal. If the United States did what it said (in writing, via ratified treaty) it would do initially, my family would own all of what is now Atlanta, Georgia...which I think would mean we could afford whatever medical bills came our way. Many other Indians are in the same position.
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Creek perhaps?

I don't agree with the "Insure or suffer" clause of the Obamacare package and I am actually happy some could avoid it.

The problem is that the US selectively enforces (or fails to enforce) laws in regards to the tribes. Not only that, and agreement with one tribe/band does not automatically transfer to the others. Obamacare on the reservations might require dozens if not hundreds of treaties.
 
ashurbanipal said:
So, if you believe that, and you realize the kind of wealth we would have if the United States lived up to its promises, I'm not sure I understand why free health care would be a big deal. If the United States did what it said (in writing, via ratified treaty) it would do initially, my family would own all of what is now Atlanta, Georgia...which I think would mean we could afford whatever medical bills came our way. Many other Indians are in the same position.
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But if your family had owned what is now Atlanta Georgia, it would look nothing like Atlanta Georgia does today and more like what the typical reservation looks like. There is no reason any Native American cant be as prosperous as any other American.
 
Fletch said:
But if your family had owned what is now Atlanta Georgia, it would look nothing like Atlanta Georgia does today and more like what the typical reservation looks like. There is no reason any Native American cant be as prosperous as any other American.
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I don't understand why Atlanta isn't named Shermanville?:2razz:
 
Even Custer is rolling over in his grave. Aren't there treaties involved? We cant have broken all of them.

But let's compromise. One of the promises we broke was about the Black Hills. Why not force the Indians to pay up in this case, but tear down the stupid statues that desecrated their land. Leave the Crazy Horse statue, of course, and add Tecumseh, Osceola, and Cochise.
 
Fledermaus said:
Creek perhaps?
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Yep. Mvskokee.

Fledermaus said:
I don't agree with the "Insure or suffer" clause of the Obamacare package and I am actually happy some could avoid it.
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Neither do I. I'd prefer a system such as Germany has. Public health care for all, private options available for those who want them.

Fledermaus said:
The problem is that the US selectively enforces (or fails to enforce) laws in regards to the tribes. Not only that, and agreement with one tribe/band does not automatically transfer to the others. Obamacare on the reservations might require dozens if not hundreds of treaties.
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Yes, all correct, as far as I can tell.
 
Fletch said:
McDonalds offers 401K's now? Congratulations. Oh and the market is essentially flat for 2018 which means you havent lost a thing.
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Love the Avatar. Precocious little child. Is that what you were going for? My 401K and 403B are both down, year to date. I would really like to retire in three three years but that is in risk due to POTUS actions.
All politics are local and it doesn't get more local for me than my retirement.
 
ashurbanipal said:
So, if you believe that, and you realize the kind of wealth we would have if the United States lived up to its promises, I'm not sure I understand why free health care would be a big deal. If the United States did what it said (in writing, via ratified treaty) it would do initially, my family would own all of what is now Atlanta, Georgia...which I think would mean we could afford whatever medical bills came our way. Many other Indians are in the same position.
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Don't look now but the community your people live in has just been declared a ****hole in post #61.
 
Fletch said:
But if your family had owned what is now Atlanta Georgia, it would look nothing like Atlanta Georgia does today and more like what the typical reservation looks like. There is no reason any Native American cant be as prosperous as any other American.
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That is pretty unlikely. Atlanta was originally built as a railroad terminus, and some such terminus was inevitably going to be built somewhere in the vicinity. The land on which Atlanta sits was chosen because of its favorable properties, it cuts (or did at the time) between two forests, and is about halfway between Montgomery and Charlotte. The surrounding land is highly arable. My people would have been happy to have accepted a land-use fee, which could easily have been accomodated within existing treaties.

On the other hand, reservations were located on land no one wanted. The land is not arable, has no or few mineral resources (or didn't at the time), and is generally crappy.

Saying that there's no reason Indians cannot be as prosperous as anyone else in America is kinda like the following. Suppose a monopoly game is going between friends, and then a gang busts in, throws the players off the table, shoots four out of the five, and then starts the game over. Once every property, utility, and railroad is owned and developed by this new gang, they invite the lone survivor back to the table, legislate that instead of $200 dollars he collects only $20, and then heckles him for not being as prosperous on the gameboard as they are after a few turns.
 
prometeus said:
Don't look now but the community your people live in has just been declared a ****hole in post #61.
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Well, some reservations actually are, though I don't think that's really the fault of the people who live there. Ours is fairly decent, though. I don't live there, but my mom does.
 
Top Cat said:
You mean other than the fact Trump wants to screw Native Americans again?
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The Native American's manage to screw themselves on a regular basis as it is, the whole system is fubar and it's time to move on from the failed native American "nations" crap, all that has done is create a bad situation that hasn't ended. Not sure what the best answer is, but the current answer isn't very good.
 
Renae said:
The Native American's manage to screw themselves on a regular basis as it is, the whole system is fubar and it's time to move on from the failed native American "nations" crap, all that has done is create a bad situation that hasn't ended. Not sure what the best answer is, but the current answer isn't very good.
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Are they getting any kind of government welfare?
 
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