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Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

Lovebug said:
Or the outrage for American families who are being separated. Every day I hear pleas that we don't have enough foster families.
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Seeing as the turnover rate is now in the 40% to 60% range, its getting pretty bad.

Though I have seen articles that put it in at least the 30% to 50% range, so that is a little bit of a relief.

I am seeing more cases come through each year that, call for foster cases on more and more of our patients however.
 
Oborosen said:
Tell Laura that people should make up their damn minds then.
We couldn't keep them together under Obama and now we can't keep them apart under Trump.

Go figure...
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This lie keeps getting repeated. Neither Obama or Bush had a policy of zero tolerance where every family was prosecuted and thus split up. Both the Bush and the Obama Administrations declined to do so because they did not want to be in the business of separating thousands of families a month. The only time they prosecuted families and thus split children from their parents was when they were suspected of being trafficked, the parent had a felony, or there was reason to believe the parent was a risk to the children.

But immigration advocates and former Obama administration officials say that's just not true: The Obama administration did not have any kind of widespread practice of separating children from their parents. Trump's policy aims to prosecute every single illegal border crossing, including asylum-seekers. The government separates children from their parents or legal guardians because the adults have been referred for prosecution for illegal entry into the United States.

The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."

Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
This lie keeps getting repeated. Neither Obama or Bush had a policy of zero tolerance where every family was prosecuted and thus split up. Both the Bush and the Obama Administrations declined to do so because they did not want to be in the business of separating thousands of families a month. The only time they prosecuted families and thus split children from their parents was when they were suspected of being trafficked, the parent had a felony, or there was reason to believe the parent was a risk to the children.



https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
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I am talking about when Obama was forced to actually keep families apart, because keeping children in the detention centers was against the law.
 
Oborosen said:
I am talking about when Obama was forced to actually keep families apart, because keeping children in the detention centers was against the law.
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Please provide proof where the Obama Administration separated 2000 families a month. It simply did not happen. The only time the Obama Administration separated families was when there was reason to believe they were being trafficked, a parent was a felon, or a parent was a danger to their children.

Yes, there were families held in family detention centers together for 20 days. However, if they were seeking asylum, after 20 days they were then typically released while their case went through the immigration court system. This is that "catch and release" that Trump talks about.

The Obama and Bush Administrations were not in this situation, because they refused to prosecute families with children for illegal border entry. They had that policy specifically because they did not want to be in the unconscionable situation where they would be forced to take thousands of kids from their parents a month.
 
dcsports said:
Failure to pay a traffic ticket isn't a federal crime (not really a crime either).

Yes, these are federal crimes, and serious ones. And illegal 'immigration' does cause serious harm to our country.
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Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't. You certainly have not made the case for it in this post.

Does it do as much harm, in your view, as nullifying the Fourth Amendment does?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't. You certainly have not made the case for it in this post.

Does it do as much harm, in your view, as nullifying the Fourth Amendment does?
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It absolutely does harm our country.

How does the fourth amendment enter the discussion?
 
ludin said:
that is because again most of it is empty fist shaking. somethings weren't a problem as long as obama was doing it but now there is a faux outrage about every time
trump breathes more than what someone thinks he should. The melt down of the left is completely amazing. we knew they were on the brink but this simply pushed them over
and revealed their true colors.
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Most of it is the truth. You just dismiss it as "empty fist shaking" because your political masters have manipulated you into believing anything negative about Trump is "fake news".
 
dcsports said:
It absolutely does harm our country.

How does the fourth amendment enter the discussion?
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Again, you have not made the case that it absolutely does harm our country. Considering the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, and the long history of this country, you're wrong. This country has thrived because of the impact of immigrants on society. Whether or not those immigrants have a green card means nothing.

By asking the question about the 4th, I was trying to determine if you feel strongly about the rule of law, or only just certain laws. I was wondering if you like selective enforcement of the law, or should all laws be enforced with the same vigor?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Again, you have not made the case that it absolutely does harm our country. Considering the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, and the long history of this country, you're wrong. This country has thrived because of the impact of immigrants on society. Whether or not those immigrants have a green card means nothing.

By asking the question about the 4th, I was trying to determine if you feel strongly about the rule of law, or only just certain laws. I was wondering if you like selective enforcement of the law, or should all laws be enforced with the same vigor?
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I haven't made the case that illegal 'immigration' hurts our country here... feel free to start a thread on that topic if you like. I don't think there's any question, especially with regards to the transit of drugs, gang members, etc. across our border. The 'words on the statue of liberty' were inscribed with regards to legal immigration. And it absolutely goes beyond an issue of whether someone has a green card.

The fourth ... again another thread if you like. Context would help others (including me) to understand what you are asking. It's absolutely an important part of our constitution.
 
dcsports said:
I haven't made the case that illegal 'immigration' hurts our country here... feel free to start a thread on that topic if you like. I don't think there's any question, especially with regards to the transit of drugs, gang members, etc. across our border. The 'words on the statue of liberty' were inscribed with regards to legal immigration. And it absolutely goes beyond an issue of whether someone has a green card.

The fourth ... again another thread if you like. Context would help others (including me) to understand what you are asking. It's absolutely an important part of our constitution.
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Finally we agree--you have not made the case that illegal immigration hurts this country. No, you have not made the case, though you have made the claim, at least twice. Mere repetition of a claim does not make it true.

Where does it say that the words on the statue apply only to legal immigrants?

Just so you understand, I would much prefer that immigrants go through the legal processes, but I've been around long enough to know that legal processes can be utterly irrational and only exercises in bureaucracy. The mere presence of a government card does not make a person an upstanding citizen, nor does the absence of such a card make a person a criminal. Papers Please is usually associated with tyranny.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Finally we agree--you have not made the case that illegal immigration hurts this country. No, you have not made the case, though you have made the claim, at least twice. Mere repetition of a claim does not make it true.

Where does it say that the words on the statue apply only to legal immigrants?

Just so you understand, I would much prefer that immigrants go through the legal processes, but I've been around long enough to know that legal processes can be utterly irrational and only exercises in bureaucracy. The mere presence of a government card does not make a person an upstanding citizen, nor does the absence of such a card make a person a criminal. Papers Please is usually associated with tyranny.
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I've made the claim, and of course, it's been the source of much debate. There's a lot of support for this though. It's not just nice people who come across illegally. We absolutely need to fix the legal process, but we need to control who and what comes into our country.
 
jamesrage said:
The Bushes are illegal alien ass kissers. So Mrs. Bush whining about criminals being separated from their kids means nothing.

The kids being separated from their parents is the fault of the parents who brought them here illegally either by straight up illegal entry or illegal entry by fraudulently claiming asylum.

Millions of Americans are separated from their families when they commit crimes and are sent to prison or jail. You are not suggesting that people with kids get a get out jail free pass are you?
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What gives you the idea their asylum claim is fraudulent?
 
It's so funny to me to see "liberals" suddenly care so much about a social, religious conservative like Laura Bush but then again, if they can USE someone from the right to further their political agenda, my God, they will....
 
MTAtech said:
You did, when you said the wall is a one-time cost.

That hasn't been established. Many studies indicate that the wall will be marginally effective at best. Comparing this to foreign aide is silly on many levels. Trump isn't offering to eliminate foreign aide to other countries to pay for the wall. {Hey, whatever happened to Mexico paying for it?} Moreover, foreign aide has many benefits as I previously posted.
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That is no way says I think we would never need to maintain it.
 
trixare4kids said:
It's so funny to me to see "liberals" suddenly care so much about a social, religious conservative like Laura Bush but then again, if they can USE someone from the right to further their political agenda, my God, they will....
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Perhaps they are happy to hear Laura Bush speak out because they are greatly encouraged to see, finally after all these years, one of those "compassionate conservatives" her father-in-law and husband used to pay lip service to? They are happy to see one actually exists? That one person in the Bush family actually knows right from wrong?
 
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