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Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/mueller-russia-midterms-influence-641851

Prosecutors are trying to block intelligence agencies and absent defendants from seeing evidence in the investigation of interference in the 2016 election.

Russian intelligence agencies are trying to meddle in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections much as they did two years ago, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office asserted on Tuesday in a court filing.

The claim of active election-focused intelligence operations came as prosecutors moved to block more than a dozen Russians who are charged criminally in the prior effort from gaining access to evidence gathered as that case was assembled.
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Releasing this evidence would compromise the investigation & reveal sources & methods to the Russian intelligence services.

Well, that's one way to keep your temporary job.

People being prosecuted have a right to evidence against them. It would not surprise me that Mueller's problem is that he has very little, if any, to prosecute his cases.
 
He was looking for accolades without risk. After all, they were Russians in Russia! The last thing he expected was for them to plead.

Or show up.
 
Whatever guy, you have gone from denial about who solicited, to denying how it is defined and then back to denial about who. good luck with that.

I didn't deny who solicited, the Russian lawyer solicited. I know what the word means, so do you, your dislike of Trump is impairing ability to reason.
 
I got it, and yer posting is so incredibly slow. I said fine, whatever. GL with it.

You post, I respond. I respond to the quotes in order. If you don't like it, don't quote me.
 
Why Trump Jr. may have broken the law
The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.

“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.

Here’s the second important passage of the statute: “No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].”

The key word from Trump Jr., according to University of California Irvine election law expert Rick Hasen, is “solicit,” which has a very specific meaning in this context. To quote the relevant statute:

A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.

Trump Jr. was clearly soliciting information that he knew was coming from a foreign source. Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

When Obama and Sanders broke that exact same law, they were fined. Nobody tried to put them in jail.

Why the double standard?
 
When Obama and Sanders broke that exact same law, they were fined. Nobody tried to put them in jail.

Why the double standard?
Not only is this a whatabout, but an unsubstantiated whatabout.
 
And wait, and wait.

This has been going on for two years.

Our analysis of special counsel probes in the modern era, starting in 19791 shows that the fact that Mueller’s investigation has produced criminal charges at all sets it apart — a majority of the investigations over the past four decades ended without charges being filed against anyone. Moreover, in the inquiries that produced criminal charges, the first occurred more than a year, on average, after the special prosecutor was appointed — while Mueller’s investigation produced its first charges after less than five months.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...pared-to-past-special-counsel-investigations/
 
And wait, and wait.This has been going on for two years.
Republicans happily waited 4 years for Ken Star to veer off course and depose a sitting president about an affair. I think given that this is a foreign adversary attacking the U.S., and apparently criminals in our administration and the Trump campaign, possibly including Trump and his closest allies/family members, that it's a tad more important.

It appears to be moving fast, considering what, 20 people indicted on over a hundred charges? And it's got a lot more in coming. Who do you think Mueller will indict next? The Russians that conducting the hacking of the DNC to help Trump? Or maybe Trump Jr? Don't tell me you aren't curious.
 
Oh, they were not soliciting for emails stolen by a foreign state, nor did they PERSONALLY commit the violations.

So it was not the same thing, at all.

"We'll see what happens"

Irrelevant. Same law.
 
Applied to the campaigns, not the individual....and the severity, nature of the violation is completely different.

Equal justice under the law.

Are FEC violations impeachable offenses?
 
Equal justice under the law.

Are FEC violations impeachable offenses?
Donny Jr.....is not....wait for it.....the POTUS.

You forgot who is the subject of the conversation.
 
So, violating FEC regs isn't an impeacable (sic) offense?
Donny Jr, the SON of the POTUS, is not in elected office, your "impeachable" has no application to who we are discussing.

HELLO....IS THIS THING ON?
 
Donny Jr, the SON of the POTUS, is not in elected office, your "impeachable" has no application to who we are discussing.

HELLO....IS THIS THING ON?

Should someone in the Obama and Sanders campaigns have been prosecuted?
 
Should someone in the Obama and Sanders campaigns have been prosecuted?
If you want to dig down to the individual campaign worker in both cases and show how they were criminally liable...knock yerself out. You brought it up. They were probably impeached....amiright?
 
I voted Republican........................because of the Russians. :lamo

I am glad you admit your involvement with Russia. The motherland will be so pleased.
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/mueller-russia-midterms-influence-641851

Prosecutors are trying to block intelligence agencies and absent defendants from seeing evidence in the investigation of interference in the 2016 election.

Russian intelligence agencies are trying to meddle in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections much as they did two years ago, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office asserted on Tuesday in a court filing.

The claim of active election-focused intelligence operations came as prosecutors moved to block more than a dozen Russians who are charged criminally in the prior effort from gaining access to evidence gathered as that case was assembled.
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Releasing this evidence would compromise the investigation & reveal sources & methods to the Russian intelligence services.

Interesting development. I guess we know then that if Democrats take some seats in the midterms, the Russians did it.
 
I don't see where any one has been doing any election meddling, nor any convictions.
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Agree 100%. Everytime I hear something new about this Mueller character I realize he's constantly
searching for 'dragons in the field'
 
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