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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by dcsports View Post
    No, they never expected the people to present themselves. And, this isn't the normal process. Note that the companies did present themselves (through their attorneys) and prosecutors are struggling with what to do.
    Number 1:
    I know of only one that's done so out of the two (though technically three) firms that were indicted, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, Internet Research Agency, LLC, and Concord Catering. The "Concords" are related entities and they provided funding to IRA.

    Number 2:
    • On April 11, 2018, counsel for Internet Research Agency (IRA) entered appearances on behalf of one of the defendants, the "Concords," yet the attorney did not acknowledge whether s/he had been authorized to receive service of the summons on behalf of Concord. At issue is that at that point, Concord hadn't been served and summoned to appear, though the charges against the "Concords" had been filed.

      Furthermore, counsel submitted RFIs to the government for a bill of particulars, wherein they demanded 51 categories of information and discovery, including of all statements, recordings, or electronic surveillance of Concord officers and employees, and, as “a predicate” to motions practice, information about more than 70 years of American foreign policy—“each and every instance” from “1945 to present” where the U.S.government “engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes in any foreign country,”

      Mueller's team responded to IRA's requests.
    • The counsel for IRA also requested access to the proceedings of the grand jury that indicted them. On June 1, 2018, the government entered its argument opposing that special concession.

    That does not look like prosecutors are "struggling with what to do."
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...fluence-641851

    Prosecutors are trying to block intelligence agencies and absent defendants from seeing evidence in the investigation of interference in the 2016 election.

    Russian intelligence agencies are trying to meddle in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections much as they did two years ago, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office asserted on Tuesday in a court filing.

    The claim of active election-focused intelligence operations came as prosecutors moved to block more than a dozen Russians who are charged criminally in the prior effort from gaining access to evidence gathered as that case was assembled.
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    Releasing this evidence would compromise the investigation & reveal sources & methods to the Russian intelligence services.
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksinPA View Post
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...fluence-641851

    Prosecutors are trying to block intelligence agencies and absent defendants from seeing evidence in the investigation of interference in the 2016 election.

    Russian intelligence agencies are trying to meddle in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections much as they did two years ago, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office asserted on Tuesday in a court filing.

    The claim of active election-focused intelligence operations came as prosecutors moved to block more than a dozen Russians who are charged criminally in the prior effort from gaining access to evidence gathered as that case was assembled.
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    Releasing this evidence would compromise the investigation & reveal sources & methods to the Russian intelligence services.
    The investigation just became a bigger joke.
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    They didn't. The prosecutors are merely requiring that defendants appear for arraignment, bail hearings, etc. prior to being given their right of discovery.
    Yeah, it don't work like that. They indicted the defendents. That means the prosecutors are ready to go to trial.

    All this fiddle ****ing around is a good sign that they don't have a case.
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Number 1:
    I know of only one that's done so out of the two (though technically three) firms that were indicted, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, Internet Research Agency, LLC, and Concord Catering. The "Concords" are related entities and they provided funding to IRA.

    Number 2:
    • On April 11, 2018, counsel for Internet Research Agency (IRA) entered appearances on behalf of one of the defendants, the "Concords," yet the attorney did not acknowledge whether s/he had been authorized to receive service of the summons on behalf of Concord. At issue is that at that point, Concord hadn't been served and summoned to appear, though the charges against the "Concords" had been filed.

      Furthermore, counsel submitted RFIs to the government for a bill of particulars, wherein they demanded 51 categories of information and discovery, including of all statements, recordings, or electronic surveillance of Concord officers and employees, and, as “a predicate” to motions practice, information about more than 70 years of American foreign policy—“each and every instance” from “1945 to present” where the U.S.government “engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes in any foreign country,”

      Mueller's team responded to IRA's requests.
    • The counsel for IRA also requested access to the proceedings of the grand jury that indicted them. On June 1, 2018, the government entered its argument opposing that special concession.

    That does not look like prosecutors are "struggling with what to do."
    i believe the "defense" is entitled to ALL discovery, which right now, the prosecution is trying to withhold

    i know Mueller doesnt want to undress himself in court, but when you indict, this is the result

    And he had to know this was a possibility
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Number 1:
    I know of only one that's done so out of the two (though technically three) firms that were indicted, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, Internet Research Agency, LLC, and Concord Catering. The "Concords" are related entities and they provided funding to IRA.

    Number 2:
    • On April 11, 2018, counsel for Internet Research Agency (IRA) entered appearances on behalf of one of the defendants, the "Concords," yet the attorney did not acknowledge whether s/he had been authorized to receive service of the summons on behalf of Concord. At issue is that at that point, Concord hadn't been served and summoned to appear, though the charges against the "Concords" had been filed.

      Furthermore, counsel submitted RFIs to the government for a bill of particulars, wherein they demanded 51 categories of information and discovery, including of all statements, recordings, or electronic surveillance of Concord officers and employees, and, as “a predicate” to motions practice, information about more than 70 years of American foreign policy—“each and every instance” from “1945 to present” where the U.S.government “engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes in any foreign country,”

      Mueller's team responded to IRA's requests.
    • The counsel for IRA also requested access to the proceedings of the grand jury that indicted them. On June 1, 2018, the government entered its argument opposing that special concession.

    That does not look like prosecutors are "struggling with what to do."
    OK. Yes, that sounds like prosecutors are struggling with how to deal with the situation. They initially tried to not allow the company, asked for delays, and is now concerned that information could be passed on to other defendants.

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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

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    I voted Republican........................because of the Russians.
    I was going to vote Hillary and then I saw this ad on Facebook of Hillary literally fighting Jesus... from that point my choice was clear.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

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    I was going to vote Hillary and then I saw this ad on Facebook of Hillary literally fighting Jesus... from that point my choice was clear.
    Yeah, no one fights Jesus.
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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

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    Yeah, no one fights Jesus.
    Not on my watch!
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Mueller sees Russian effort to influence 2018 midterms

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i believe the "defense" is entitled to ALL discovery, which right now, the prosecution is trying to withhold

    i know Mueller doesnt want to undress himself in court, but when you indict, this is the result

    And he had to know this was a possibility
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