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Starting Today, Your Internet Company Can Charge You More For Netflix And Facebook

Aberration said:
I’ve been on the internet since dial-up. Never was I ever charged for anything other than access. And I have had Comcast since they have offered internet. This is just the typical current day political melodrama. It’s like some people think if they throw a big enough tantrum they will actually get what they want.
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Penalties must be exacted in the effort to discourage others acting in non conformity to their will.

In my experience women tend to do this.
 
Mr Person said:
1. Actually, there were some instances. The regulation was a response to the possibility of an increase of such instances.

2. The potential for further instances isn't enough. And if what you were saying is true - it isnn't true, but if - then if it wasn't a "problem", nobody would have been burdened by the regulation aimed at it, so there was no reason to get rid of the regulation.

3. Congress created the FTC, which is empowered to regulate this sort of thing. Your reference to "legislation" is a red herring. (Nevermind that the interests that wanted to do away with the regulation dominate both congress and the FTC, so....double red herring).




Unlike the dial-up era, the ISP business is generally a monopoly or duopoly, except in very few areas. It is beyond stupid to advocate for your "right" to get screwed by monopoly powers. Given their market control, they could do exactly the sort of thing the OP mentions and the "free market" wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it. Because cable lines do not have to be shared, unlike telephone lines, the barriers to entry are cost-prohibitive.

Of course, the more likely scenario is that ISPs team up with large corporations like Facebook or Amazon to squeeze out competitors via slowdowns.
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In almost no areas are ISPs a monopoly. Nearly everyone has a choice between multiple technologies and companies. They have cable, DSL, satellite, cellular, and sometimes wifi, and even dial up still exists. In cellular alone there are 4 companies that cover the entire US.
 
jonny5 said:
In almost no areas are ISPs a monopoly. Nearly everyone has a choice between multiple technologies and companies. They have cable, DSL, satellite, cellular, and sometimes wifi, and even dial up still exists. In cellular alone there are 4 companies that cover the entire US.
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You have absolutely nothing to say about this subject if you are comparing dial-up with cellphone with free-wifi with ****ing cable internet.
 
A few times a month I check my Internet Usage. So the day net neutrality stopped I got on to check my usage. And right on the top of the page was a message in big bold letters.

Starting in July Internet Usage Tracker will NO longer be available.

They had this function for years, then stop it on the day NN ends.. Gee I wonder what they have planned for us peons.
 
JacksinPA said:
Fitzgerald the carpetbagger? You have to be kidding. I hope the FBI will take him back after he loses.
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There is no congressperson named Fitzgerald in Pennsylvania.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Penalties must be exacted in the effort to discourage others acting in non conformity to their will.

In my experience women tend to do this.
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Now I have to clean my monitor, thanks for the laugh.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/daveyalba/net-neutrality-ends-now?utm_term=.vnejgjA7B1#.jkzxmxqz46

Today, June 11, the repeal of net neutrality rules goes into effect.

Today, June 11, the repeal of net neutrality rules goes into effect. Consumer advocacy groups, lawyers, technology companies, and citizen activists have long decried this move — which was decided in a vote by the Federal Communications Commission in December — as a fatal blow to an open and competitive internet.

Ever since they’ve been in place, net neutrality rules have prohibited internet service providers from slowing down websites or charging premiums for “fast lanes” for specific services or higher-quality streaming.

Now that the rules have been repealed, starting today it becomes possible for your internet company — Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and others — to charge you more to, say, get high-quality Netflix streaming or access Facebook.
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Thanks, Republicans. I'll remember this when I vote in 2018 & 2020. I never miss a vote.
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How is this a fatal blow to an open and competitive market. It seems to me to be the opposite.

If I don't like my internet providers price structure, I can choose another option. Which can range from choosing another land line provider, go to satellite service, stop using Facebook or Netflix, get out the old rabbit ears, or do with internet completely.
 
JacksinPA said:
Now that the rules have been repealed, starting today it becomes possible for your internet company — Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and others — to charge you more to, say, get high-quality Netflix streaming or access Facebook.
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Thanks, Republicans. I'll remember this when I vote in 2018 & 2020. I never miss a vote.
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Possible, but unlikely.

With the number of competing net companies, it's more likely that prices will eventually continue to drop, like cell phone company prices, to entice customers.

The free market is a powerful thing.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Possible, but unlikely.

With the number of competing net companies, it's more likely that prices will eventually continue to drop, like cell phone company prices, to entice customers.

The free market is a powerful thing.
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When I lived in rural Central NJ there was only Comcast. Here in suburban Phila there is Verizon fiber optic & Comcast coaxial cable service, so there is competition to keep the prices in kline. Back in NJ they charged a lot more because they had a monopoly.
 
JacksinPA said:
When I lived in rural Central NJ there was only Comcast. Here in suburban Phila there is Verizon fiber optic & Comcast coaxial cable service, so there is competition to keep the prices in kline. Back in NJ they charged a lot more because they had a monopoly.
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And, that's my point -- more internet companies are here now so competition will keep the big boys from raising their rates -- at least, that's my prediction.
 
HowardBThiname said:
And, that's my point -- more internet companies are here now so competition will keep the big boys from raising their rates -- at least, that's my prediction.
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Um, I believe the number of ISP's is in decline, but the point is, there are regional limits on who you can get service from, not every ISP has strung coax or fiber to your address. I'm in downtown PHX, only 2 providers have been in here for decades, Cox or Centurylink. It was the same in in Tucson, and there CL only offered really bad DSL.
 
Internet service needs to start being billed like electricity and other utilities.

People would then realize how much data they consume (and have to pay for)
watching HD Netflix videos that, on most hardware, look little different from non-HD or sitting through all those interactive ads on Hulu or YouTube or loading websites bloated with java but looking, and often functioning, no different than their simple HTML versions a few years prior...

And maybe then they'd start demanding accountability from content providers to create more bandwidth-concious sites and not pump ten times more data at them than they really have any use for.

And if they did that, ISPs wouldn't have to jack up rates or charge some providers extra fees just to fund basic access to the Internet for everyone else who isn't using it to watch cat videos all day to distract themselves from the fact that they are so pathetic all they do is watch cat videos all day.
 
Mycroft said:
Doesn't bother me. I don't do Netflix, I do very little with FB...heck, I watch very few YouTube videos.

Maybe others should save their money like I do.
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WHY.
Just because you prefer your life boring?
We should be more like you?

We should be able to access whatever we want. We paid for the pipe, paid for the data rate and paid for the bandwidth.
 
JMaximus said:
Internet service needs to start being billed like electricity and other utilities.

People would then realize how much data they consume (and have to pay for)
watching HD Netflix videos that, on most hardware, look little different from non-HD or sitting through all those interactive ads on Hulu or YouTube or loading websites bloated with java but looking, and often functioning, no different than their simple HTML versions a few years prior...

And maybe then they'd start demanding accountability from content providers to create more bandwidth-concious sites and not pump ten times more data at them than they really have any use for.

And if they did that, ISPs wouldn't have to jack up rates or charge some providers extra fees just to fund basic access to the Internet for everyone else who isn't using it to watch cat videos all day to distract themselves from the fact that they are so pathetic all they do is watch cat videos all day.
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Metered internet?
No thanks.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
WHY.
Just because you prefer your life boring?
We should be more like you?

We should be able to access whatever we want. We paid for the pipe, paid for the data rate and paid for the bandwidth.
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shrug...go for it.
 
dcsports said:
This wasn't a problem before the regulation, and shouldn't be a problem now.

if you are concerned, lobby your congressman. Congress considered legislation regarding this, and chose not to pass it.
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The ISPs lobbied really hard to get this and paid a lot of money. It will be a few years but it will change the face of the internet as we know it. The whole "this returns the internet back to the unregulated platform it was" argument is dishonest for a variety of reasons.

Fact check: Net-neutrality claims leave out key context* - Chicago Tribune
 
JacksinPA said:
When I lived in rural Central NJ there was only Comcast. Here in suburban Phila there is Verizon fiber optic & Comcast coaxial cable service, so there is competition to keep the prices in kline. Back in NJ they charged a lot more because they had a monopoly.
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I show 9 ISPs in Jackson, NJ.
 
jonny5 said:
This whole "the end is near" argument is wishful thinking. Come back in a few years and lets see.
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It will not be terrible. I doubt ISPs will start data caps. However, I think we will have a more homogenized internet and we will be paying substantially more for less. If gaming and pornography have taught us anything about the internet, it is experience matters most to users, so ISPs who disadvantage subscribers directly to obtain more money will face a backlash. I am almost certain though we will see a big telecom monopoly broken up in our lifetime.
 
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