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Rep. Diane Black Cites Porn As ‘Root Cause’ Of School Shootings

ElChupacabra said:
In the "actual message", she cited pornography as one of the root causes. She didn't cite anything as the source of her conclusion, so she may as well blamed angry unicorns as well.
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You may see unicorns (grin), I see ...:

“All of this is available without parental guidance,” she added. “I think that is a big part of the root cause.”
 
Barnacle said:
You may see unicorns (grin), I see ...:

“All of this is available without parental guidance,” she added. “I think that is a big part of the root cause.”
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But she's referring to pornography's availability, so she's making that connection.
 
gdgyva said:
what if that is true for 99.9995 of the people that play

but for 5 boys out of every million it is different....would that matter? is that significant enough to warrant a change?

i dont think you can narrow the issue down to one item...i dont think it is even close to that

everyone wants a simple answer...there isnt one

we have broken kids, and broken people...and they are willing and able to take their anger and frustration out not on themselves anymore, but on the largest groups of people they can find....the more carnage they can cause, the better

they will use whatever means is at hand....trucks, cars, guns, bombs, knifes....when they want to do something, they do it...it is just a matter of where, when, and how

fixing these broken people is an impossible task....we dont have to resources to identify them, nor the will to detain them when they havent harmed anyone yet....we cant deny them their rights

so no answers....and a bunch of hand wringing....and people screaming at each other from all sides
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Unlike what some might assume about my lean (and I'm not saying that's you), I don't believe it mass restrictions for five out of millions. If you start tracking my rare posts on gun issues, I think you'll find I shrug off most suggestions for gun control to prevent shootings, on the condition that the 2nd Amd. remains and is interpreted as it has been in Heller. If it's ever repealed or stays but with a greatly changed interpretation, well, my opinion my just change. But until then, I see it as mainly misdirection in a good cause.

If five children out of "millions" decide to shoot up a school because they played a computer game, the answer is not getting rid of the computer game. It's figuring out how to identify people so broken that that could actually happen. But then, there actually isn't any evidence that that has happened.

Back to gun control.

Ban an AR-15, they'll bring 10 handguns. Ban having 10 handguns, they'll bring 10 handguns anyway. Maybe ban any magazines over 6 rounds and they'll kill less. Or maybe they'll bring 20 handguns. Criminals are stupid, but they're not that stupid. And insanity isn't stupidity. So if we're going to talk seriously about preventing mass shootings, gun control generally isn't going to be the answer so long as it is gun control that is possible as the law now stands. And the law is going to stand this way for a while. So while I'd rather nobody be allowed have guns - literally, that's my ideal world stance - my pragmatism leads me to quite the opposite position: there are a few things we might consider on gun control, but only to consider with the understanding that they could only make the smallest dent in shootings/mass shootings.


Sooo.....

:shrug:

I'm a bit of a contradictory mess on this. On one hand, I literally AM the guy who wants to take your guns. On the other hand, I'm also the guy who isn't going to try to do it and thinks most suggestions are stupid/useless and therefore only very very rarely advocate for gun control. For me, pragmatism controls. Always. On any question. Pragmatism is my ruling principle.















tl;dr

There are some reasonable potential measures we can consider on many fronts. But it would be silly to ignore a rational cost-benefit analysis. I can only speak on a case-by-case basis, but the video game angle is one of the silliest.
 
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Barnacle said:
Yup; lots of liberals and other ignorant Americans have guns. Time for them to teach their kids not to touch their guns.
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Wait, so are you saying that a kid intent on shooting up people will be considering their parents telling them not to touch their guns? That might have gone out the window well before the "thou shalt not kill" lesson.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/diane-black-cites-porn-as-root-cause-of-school-shootings

First off, who pays for porn anymore? That is practically the whole point of the internet. Moreover, I don't know what are the specific causes of school shootings, but I am certain it has nothing to do with porn, video games, or movies as kids all over the world watch the same porn, the same video games, and the same movies.
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Nonsensical ranting . . .

Broken kids do broken things . . now those kids may also have broken adults/broken home lives that made them broken but thats about it.

books, video games and other media will not break and unbroken person. Its completely absurd to think video games of pron play any "significant" role and all one has to do to see the utter lunacy of such insane claims is look at the amount of people that participate in such and are just fine.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/diane-black-cites-porn-as-root-cause-of-school-shootings

First off, who pays for porn anymore? That is practically the whole point of the internet. Moreover, I don't know what are the specific causes of school shootings, but I am certain it has nothing to do with porn, video games, or movies as kids all over the world watch the same porn, the same video games, and the same movies.
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Is there a Southern Republican out there anywhere now who isn't bat**** crazy?
 
RetiredUSN said:
You have zero proof of what you say. The experts are all over the map on this issue.
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Not really.

I'm not going to scan the rest of the thread. I just want to ask: did you say the same thing to the person I responded to?
 
This could be addressed scientifically but I'm thinking Diane Black and people like her are not advocates of science. In that case we are left with ass logic. That gets us where?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/diane-black-cites-porn-as-root-cause-of-school-shootings

First off, who pays for porn anymore? That is practically the whole point of the internet. Moreover, I don't know what are the specific causes of school shootings, but I am certain it has nothing to do with porn, video games, or movies as kids all over the world watch the same porn, the same video games, and the same movies.
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I dunno...lots of people? Isn't it a multi-billion dollar industry? I agree that it is probably not those things, even if they may have some kind of effect. I think just electronics in general, which also includes social media, that could be a significant contributor. There have been tons of studies done on depression and mental disorders and linking them to time on social media and such.

Our brains developed a certain way for thousands upon thousands of years and the changes in how we've existed due to modern technology is moving at a pace that is unprecedented. There's nothing close to compare to the changes that have come about in the past 200ish years.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Here is more of what she said:

Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) said that pornography is partially to blame for gun violence in schools.

The GOP lawmaker made the comment during a listening session with local pastors last week while discussing several factors that she said contribute to increased gun violence.

“Why do we see kids being so violent?” she asked, according to a recording of her comments obtained by HuffPost. “What makes them do that?”

Black, who is running for Tennessee governor, blamed the increase in school shootings on “deterioration of the family,” “violent movies” and “pornography,” though she did not specify what effect pornography had.

“It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store,” she said of pornography. “Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there.”

“All of this is available without parental guidance,” she added. “I think that is a big part of the root cause.”

She also said that mental illness needs to be addressed to prevent gun violence, pointing to what she called “signs” of school shooting suspects' anti-social behavior.

Black’s comments come after a series of school shootings and an increased national conversation about gun control.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/389737-gop-lawmaker-porn-is-to-blame-for-school-shootings
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What grocery stores carry pornography?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/diane-black-cites-porn-as-root-cause-of-school-shootings

First off, who pays for porn anymore? That is practically the whole point of the internet. Moreover, I don't know what are the specific causes of school shootings, but I am certain it has nothing to do with porn, video games, or movies as kids all over the world watch the same porn, the same video games, and the same movies.
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It's the Sarah Palin effect: porn makes murderers but Trump is being harassed.

The Republicans will never learn and the worst part of THAT is, we don't learn either.
 
thank goodness women don't really believe in equality and equal rights; and insist, you brandish your gun at me, i am getting some!
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/diane-black-cites-porn-as-root-cause-of-school-shootings

First off, who pays for porn anymore? That is practically the whole point of the internet. Moreover, I don't know what are the specific causes of school shootings, but I am certain it has nothing to do with porn, video games, or movies as kids all over the world watch the same porn, the same video games, and the same movies.
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Did she preview/display some of the porn "types" for her audience?

just say'n...
 
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