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Koch brothers fund political ads praising Dems on immigration

danarhea

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".... raising money to protect Democrats who have shown a willingness to work on finding a legislative fix for DACA while also backing stronger border security initiatives."

What's wrong with that?

Are they betraying something by not supporting only Republicans?

Fighting for strong borders and simultaneously for protections for kids brought here through no fault of their own ... and being willing to support people who support that without regard for party label.

This is admirable.
 
Get ready for this.... The Koch Brothers are now buying Democrats. And people ask me why I vote Libertarian. Easy answer - Both of the major parties are whores.

http://thehill.com/latino/388106-koch-brothers-fund-political-ads-praising-dems-on-immigration

Of course they are supporting Democrats in their immigration efforts. It keeps labor costs down if you have a flooded labor market. Corporations, and those at the top would benefit greatly from such policies but those at the bottom, especially those who are in marginalized groups, are harmed by it.

The open borders ideology of many libertarians are one of the big ones I don't subscribe to. It's ideological nonsense divorced from reality.
 
Instead of whoring off both parties, why don't libertarians just start their own party?

This post makes no sense.
 
Originally Posted by Moot
Instead of whoring off both parties, why don't libertarians just start their own party?

This post makes no sense.

You mean,

This post makes no sense to me.
 
This post makes no sense.

You do know the Koch brothers declare themselves Libertarians, don't you? Examine that comment with that fact in mind.
 
You do know the Koch brothers declare themselves Libertarians, don't you? Examine that comment with that fact in mind.

I assure you that Moot was making a comment about danarhea's comment about him being a Libertarian.
 
We have too much money in politics. Period.

It's obscene. Period.

But it's still refreshing to see some of that obscenity used for principled causes in a nonpartisan way.
 
OMG, the Koch Brothers can't do anything right in your world. :roll: :shrug:

Bribery used to be a crime, and it doesn't matter to me which party is accepting the bribes. It's still bribery.
 
You do know the Koch brothers declare themselves Libertarians, don't you? Examine that comment with that fact in mind.

The Koch Brothers are not Libertarians, they are too involved in governance in return for favorable conditions that help them extend their financial position. Too much like crony capitalism to be called Libertarianism.
 
Bribery used to be a crime, and it doesn't matter to me which party is accepting the bribes. It's still bribery.

Why don't you go study the Clinton Foundation, they are experts on the subject.
 
The Koch Brothers are not Libertarians, they are too involved in governance in return for favorable conditions that help them extend their financial position. Too much like crony capitalism to be called Libertarianism.

I woudl say it's more Anarcho-capitalism
 
We have too much money in politics. Period.

It's obscene. Period.

But it's still refreshing to see some of that obscenity used for principled causes in a nonpartisan way.

I'm pretty skeptical about their motives, even if the outcomes may be agreeable on some level; I think the Koch brothers only support liberalised immigration in so far as they can financially benefit from it, or believe they can benefit from it per the venue of cheap labour. As a rule, I pretty much never find my views intersecting with Fishking's but on this, I feel he may have a point.

Also yes, this is a timely reminder that the establishment of both parties is very much bought and paid for (including by the same people looking to hedge their bets).
 
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Seems rather likely those Dems would be pro-Dreamer in the absence of Koch ad buys.

I agree.

The relevance of this is more in the implications of mercenary bankrolling from big monied interests than in the specific message; sometimes their agendas just so happen to coincede with positions that can be considered desirable, albeit for reasons that are invariably self-interested (for example, Google, Netflix and other SV corporates being proponents of Net Neutrality primarily for business rather than ideological reasons, which is probably the only reason it's survived as long as it has; in the KB's case, it likely has to do with the promise/potential of cheaper labour).
 
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Instead of whoring off both parties, why don't libertarians just start their own party?

Libertarianism is a basket case of people who hold very strong beliefs that fall on every side side of a discussion, or outside the norms. I mean, they DO have a party, but it has no functional base because they are about as unified and organized as a herd of kittens.
 
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