Supreme court rejects appeal from Blackwater guards convicted of killing Iraqi civilians

oneworld2 said:

How lazy is this ?

A huge copy and paste from your favourite and universally edited source

He funded the PLO ........................ fighting to free their people from a foreign military occupation and illegal settlement and gain their right to self determination. The US has almost single handedly prolonged this conflict ( by using it's veto ) so as to have a reliable ally/toehold in this crucial geostrategic region.

But Gaddafi is in the wrong in your world and the US is right

Using oil as a weapon, wow , what a horror of humanity you would have to be to employ such dreadful tactics :roll:

Supporting nationalists trying to throw off colonial masters in Western Sahara.................. how awful :roll:

Supporting nationalists trying to throw off the military dictatorship in the Philippines.................... I take it you must support military dictatorships ? Ah , only if they are propped up /installed by the US :roll:

Allende was a KGB stooge................... but was the democratically elected leader of Chile who was murdered in a US inspired coup that led to the military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet and the deaths and torturing that followed/endured. See you do support brutal/repressive military dictatorships but only if the US installs and/or backs them.

So predictable and so sad............... but hey , your choice and your cross to bare

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Lol I love how you desperately handwave away a leader literally working for a foreign power, one whose intelligence service was one of the most brutal and vicious in human history, by desperately going "but Pinochet" :roll:

But hey, I get it. Your America hate boner lets you come up with all sorts of fantasies to justify itself.

You being unable to face the laundry list of terrorist groups Gaddafi armed doesn't change reality in one bit.

The PLO is a terrorist group which purposefully targeted innocent civilians buddy. Like other Palestinean terrorist ground over the years, all they ever accomplished was making life worse for Palestinians.

Last time I, the "right to self determination" does not include bombing innocent people.

The US has supported Israel because A) Israel is a democracy; B) Most of the Arab countries had made it clear at one point or another that they would be happy to see Israel wiped out; and C) There has been a constant stream of terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Yes, the man who ordered and enabled the murder of thousands of innocent people is wrong. I get that's a radical concept for you, but even so.....

I see you missed the "he praised the murder of innocent people, and called for more innocent people to be murdered" part of that in the paragraph right above.

"Colonialist masters"? Oh, like.....Morocco? Because that's the state you've declared to be a "colonialist master".

Oh, you mean yet another Islamist splinter group which used innocent civilians as human shields.

All your America hate boner has done is blind you to reality, but hey, not my problem.

oneworld2 said:

Nope, it's you that is " desperately clinging to the fantasies " that US state terrorism/global interventionism and support for brutal/repressive regimes themselves is due to wanting to make the world a better place.

F*** me is that a truly bad choice to try to defend and you have the temerity to attack others :lamo

BTW he wasn't " supporting " anyone imo , he was merely positing some evident truths that run counter to your perceptions as shaped by the CIA and co

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Oh look, your America hate boner has you create fantasies about "state terrorism" now. Wonderful.

The evident truth is that your hatred for the United States has totally blinded you to objective reality, hence your desperate clinging to fantasies about how the guys who shoot up airports and blow up planes are "freedom fighters".

oneworld2 said:

That would be around the same time the USA was helping him to gas Iranians , right ?



Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran – Foreign Policy

BTW if you don't like the source , tough.................. you are hardly in a position to complain about them seeing as your default position is to run to Wikipedia ad nauseam in a bid to appear that you actually have some personal knowledge of what you speak.

I did say your apologetics for US foreign policy horror shows would give me the opportunity to put some meat on the bones

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You mean to desperate cling to the same old fantasies, like how ****ing Morocco is "colonialist" and that having your leader literally working for the KGB ain't so bad.

Fledermaus said:

Reading in to what others post as you did with colonial rule and military dictatorships is dishonest.

How many US trained groups were blowing up Airliners for example or bombing market places. Sarina gas in subways? Random shootings?

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When people call those that are fighting to free themselves from colonial rule or military dictatorships terrorists then you are surely forgiven for thinking that they might actually support colonial rule and/or military dictatorships. To call that " dishonest " is , well , dishonest

The Contras targetted Nicaraguan civilians for numerous acts terrorism and killed in their thousands , fact

Cuban exile Orlando Bosch Ávila headed a terrorist group based in America that , amongst other terrorist attacks , blew up a Cuban airliner killing all 73 people on board

The US trained a great many terrorist torturers and murderers that wreaked havoc all over Latin and Central America in the 70's and 80's.

They supported colonialism in Vietnam. Supported apartheid South Africa and still support Israeli colonialism over the Palestinians. They've overthrown numerous democratically elected leaderships and supported and still support some of the most repressive regimes in the world

The list goes on and on and the above is just the tip of the iceberg.

You are the only nation on earth to have used nuclear weapons , twice FFS


You are in no position to condemn others for gross acts of violence , support for terrorism , WMD use , international criminal actions etc etc and to think you are only shows a deep deep ability to self delude

oneworld2 said:

When people call those that are fighting to free themselves from colonial rule or military dictatorships terrorists

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I call terrorists terrorists...

Once the Contras' tactics were know to Congress support was withdrawn as opposed to Qaddafi et al who supported their terrorist buddies who continued to fund terrorism.

Cuban exile Orlando Bosch Ávila was a terrorist. Period.

As far as "supporting colonialism" we loaned ships to France.... And there is no "colonialism" in Israel. Thank you for bastardizing the term to slam Israel.

And OMFG we use nuclear weapons? Who knew...?

Would it been better to starve a few million Japanese? Or better to invade to the tune of a million or two casualties?

You defend terrorists while condemning Americans actions... Got Hypocrisy?

Fledermaus said:

I call terrorists terrorists...

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Only if it is not possible to dodge, as is shown again in the following

Once the Contras' tactics were know to Congress support was withdrawn as opposed to Qaddafi et al who supported their terrorist buddies who continued to fund terrorism.

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Their tactics were given to them via CIA manuals . Stop trying to dodge the fact that their US trainers/advisors and bank rollers didn't know that they were committing gross acts of terrorism . They did as they were told when they were advised by CIA people to attack " soft targets " read schools , farms , nurseries.

Then once it was out of the bag what was going on the support didn't stop it just went clandestine with weapons sales money from Iran ( oh the f****n' irony )used to bank roll contra terrorism in Nicaragua.

Seriously , you think everyone just got off the boat

As far as "supporting colonialism" we loaned ships to France....

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In late 1945 Washington’s formal position on Vietnam was vague, however by early 1947 the US was tacitly supporting France. Later that year US president Harry Truman authorised a moderate amount of funding ($160 million) to assist the French war effort. American administrators also turned a blind eye when Paris diverted some Marshall Plan funds to supply the war in Indochina. By 1951 US military aid to the French had tripled to $450 million; by 1953 it was up to $785 million. French forces in Vietnam were using ships and aircraft on loan from the US. CIA agents were conducting covert operations in Vietnam in support of the French, like carrying out 700 supply drops to CEFEO troops trapped at Dien Bien Phu (1954). By the time French forces surrendered to the Viet Minh in mid 1954, Washington had invested almost $3 billion in ‘saving’ Indochina from the spectre of communism.

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US involvement in Vietnam

That's substantially more than just lending a few ships

And there is no "colonialism" in Israel. Thank you for bastardizing the term to slam Israel.

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If the cap fits.......... even some Israelis agree with the charge

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One hundred years of colonialism, first British and then, inspired by it, Israeli, has come at the expense of another people, and that is its endless disaster. [/quote]

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...repared-way-for-israeli-colonialism-1.5461035

And OMFG we use nuclear weapons? Who knew...?

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So that makes it okay and you can go on your merry way slamming countries that have used unconventional weapons lol

Would it been better to starve a few million Japanese? Or better to invade to the tune of a million or two casualties?

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No , it would have been better to have not used nuclear weapons that you didn't really know what the outcome would have been. The Russians were prepared to and did break the none aggression treaty in their invasion of Manchuria thus tightening the noose further. The big concern WRT a Japanese surrender was whether the emperor would be dislodged and or held accountable for his crimes. He wasn't in any event so why not just accept the conditional surrender ?

Bearing in mind the above information the justification ,sickening as it is in and of itself , is pretty weak. imo

You defend terrorists while condemning Americans actions... Got Hypocrisy?

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I defend peoples rights to overthrow foreign domination/occupation but that doesn't mean you support every act they carry out in their pursuit of that aim. There's a difference

Tigerace117 said:

You mean to desperate cling to the same old fantasies, like how ****ing Morocco is "colonialist" and that having your leader literally working for the KGB ain't so bad.

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See how you couldn't bare to comment on the crucial US support given to Saddam Hussein that allowed him to gas thousands of Iranians ? Stuck your head in the sand big time there. lol

It's characteristic of your posting here.

oneworld2 said:

I defend peoples rights to overthrow foreign domination/occupation but that doesn't mean you support every act they carry out in their pursuit of that aim. There's a difference

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You support and defend terrorism....While crying about Israel ND the US.

oneworld2 said:

See how you couldn't bare to comment on the crucial US support given to Saddam Hussein that allowed him to gas thousands of Iranians ? Stuck your head in the sand big time there. lol

It's characteristic of your posting here.

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The rest of the stupidity you spewed was even more relevant than your FreeRepublic fantasies about Saddam.

Good to see your America hate boner is still ensuring you can't face reality

And you defending people who shoot up aiports and strap bombs to kids is quite typical of your particular brand of hatred.

Tigerace117 said:

The rest of the stupidity you spewed was even more relevant than your FreeRepublic fantasies about Saddam.

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You can't even be accurate lol

It was a Foreign Policy article based on declassified CIA files and interviews with US government people involved at the time

The ugly truth is that the US gave Saddam Hussein the information he needed to accurately target Iranian troops , who were fighting off his invasion remember , knowing that he would use gas on them.

This at the same time they were assisting both sides in the Iran/Iraq war whilst using some of the money from that to fund a terrorist army attacking and terrorizing the Nicaraguan people. Killing teachers , farm workers , nuns etc etc................ and you will defend this because of an emotional need to see your own country's actions through a filtering system that makes them come out at the other end like the wishes of the hippies in the summer of love. LMAO

Global state terrorism on a whole different level imo

Good to see your America hate boner is still ensuring you can't face reality

And you defending people who shoot up aiports and strap bombs to kids is quite typical of your particular brand of hatred.

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It's you that has the difficulty facing reality and is forced to resort to the rubbish posted above.

Sure sign you are getting a pasting again

oneworld2 said:

You can't even be accurate lol

It was a Foreign Policy article based on declassified CIA files and interviews with US government people involved at the time

The ugly truth is that the US gave Saddam Hussein the information he needed to accurately target Iranian troops , who were fighting off his invasion remember , knowing that he would use gas on them.

This at the same time they were assisting both sides in the Iran/Iraq war whilst using some of the money from that to fund a terrorist army attacking and terrorizing the Nicaraguan people. Killing teachers , farm workers , nuns etc etc................ and you will defend this because of an emotional need to see your own country's actions through a filtering system that makes them come out at the other end like the wishes of the hippies in the summer of love. LMAO

Global state terrorism on a whole different level imo




It's you that has the difficulty facing reality and is forced to resort to the rubbish posted above.

Sure sign you are getting a pasting again

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Gee bud, coming from someone like you who idolizes thugs like Gaddafi you have no credibility on the "accuracy" of what anyone else says or doesn't say

The ugly truth is that you don't care about the Iranians who got gassed, or the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam. You are merely using their corpses as a prop in your posturing.

Oh really? The Contras were practically saints compared to your Hezbollah heroes. Your entire post is nothing more than you babbling constant nonsense filtered with a more than a tinge of pathological hatred.

As usual, you exist in a fantasy world, likely to compensate for the fact that your arguments are a pathetic joke.

JacksinPA said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/14/blackwater-supreme-court-appeals-rejected-iraq

The supreme court has refused to consider appeals by the former Blackwater security contractors convicted in the 2007 slaying of 14 Iraqi civilians at a crowded traffic junction in Baghdad that marked one of the lowest points in the bloody conflict.

The court announced on Monday that it will not hear an appeal brought by the four men convicted in 2014 trial. They worked for the North Carolina-based private security firm then called Blackwater Worldwide that was contracted by the US government to provide security to US officials working in Iraq.
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I would hope that justice has been served.

Erik Prince, head of Blackwater, is Secretary Betsy DeVos' brother.

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Good. Bush is in on it too he was told about blackwater contractors opperating in a quasi state of lawlessness because of the way the american laws vs iraq laws were set up and he just sorta shrugged his shoulders and didnt care.

JacksinPA said:

First, I made no statement that he ordered this attack. And I brought out the connection with his sister only because a lot of people may not recognize the connection.

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I didnt know about it.... Thats WEIRD man... No wonder she got that cushy controlling job yet has zero experience in the teaching industry.

Tigerace117 said:

Gee bud, coming from someone like you who idolizes thugs like Gaddafi you have no credibility on the "accuracy" of what anyone else says or doesn't say

The ugly truth is that you don't care about the Iranians who got gassed, or the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam. You are merely using their corpses as a prop in your posturing.

Oh really? The Contras were practically saints compared to your Hezbollah heroes. Your entire post is nothing more than you babbling constant nonsense filtered with a more than a tinge of pathological hatred.

As usual, you exist in a fantasy world, likely to compensate for the fact that your arguments are a pathetic joke.

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Iraqi civilians were rooting for us too until Operation Shock and Awe where we took out EVERY SINGLE STATE BUILDING and we started bombing 1 guy to take out 20 innocents. So you cant really use them as a scapegoat or virtue signal them.

dirtpoorchris said:

Iraqi civilians were rooting for us too until Operation Shock and Awe where we took out EVERY SINGLE STATE BUILDING and we started bombing 1 guy to take out 20 innocents. So you cant really use them as a scapegoat or virtue signal them.

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Oh really? We "bombed one guy in order to take out twenty innocents"?

Would you like to re-read your statement and figure out the problem with what you said?

Yes, we hit all of Saddam's strongpoints. What's the point of only hitting a few?

Tigerace117 said:

Gee bud, coming from someone like you who idolizes thugs like Gaddafi you have no credibility on the "accuracy" of what anyone else says or doesn't say

The ugly truth is that you don't care about the Iranians who got gassed, or the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam. You are merely using their corpses as a prop in your posturing.

Oh really? The Contras were practically saints compared to your Hezbollah heroes. Your entire post is nothing more than you babbling constant nonsense filtered with a more than a tinge of pathological hatred.

As usual, you exist in a fantasy world, likely to compensate for the fact that your arguments are a pathetic joke.

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:lamo

It's noticeable that the more you get your arse kicked the more you crank up the stupid accusations. Comedy gold

Your posts here and elsewhere around the forum are littered with stupid/false accusations , misrepresentations , hypocrisy ,misquotes/invented quotes , superficial musings , glaring denials , dodges , ignorance the list just goes on and on.

I've wasted enough time showing you up for the , wannabe wikipedia genius posing as an expert, loser that you are. It's become too easy and completely boring tbh

You should take your own advice and read some actual scholarly books on subjects instead of trying to be an expert in a minute by referring to wikipedia 100 times a day.

Have fun with the other kids in the sand pit and leave the real discussions to the adults.

Seeya

Tigerace117 said:

Oh really? We "bombed one guy in order to take out twenty innocents"?

Would you like to re-read your statement and figure out the problem with what you said?

Yes, we hit all of Saddam's strongpoints. What's the point of only hitting a few?

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You can look up the statistics on drone strikes at one point it was 20 innocents dead for every 1 target. I think it was about at 16 not too long ago.