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Mueller may have a conflict — and it leads directly to a Russian oligarch

biglawnmower said:
you pretend to be outraged about "trump and russia" yet you left wing radicals voted for the man that laughed and said the cold war is over. then during his SAME term, russia hacks.

that says a lot about your loyalties.
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I offered up a proposal, up to 1 K, and yet you question my loyalties. Seems you have gone into hiding.
 
Renae said:
Facts just called, they asked you not try to claim them as your grasp is tenuous at best.
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Reply to my original post- had a number of questions which as per the norm you avoid.
 
biglawnmower said:
you pretend to be outraged about "trump and russia" yet you left wing radicals voted for the man that laughed and said the cold war is over. then during his SAME term, russia hacks.

that says a lot about your loyalties.
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Not is specific order

JANFU said:
I offered up a proposal, up to 1 K, and yet you question my loyalties. Seems you have gone into hiding.
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JANFU said:
Come on I will go up to 1 K. Take me on big boy. Otherwise you are scared
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JANFU said:
I can -my 500 donation to your 50 that I can prove my point. Ya got 60 seconds to take me up.
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Time to man up, 20 to 1 odds.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I read the article but I still don't have any idea as to why this would be a conflict. Because the FBI worked with the guy on a particular objective while Mueller ran it a decade ago? I don't get it.
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The "guy" who played with Mueller was a Russian mobster oligarch paid by the FBI.
He was sanctioned by Trump.
It's that whole transparency thing.
McCabe was involved too.
And the "guy" was asked by the FBI about the Russian collusion theory and laughed it off.
“Deripaska laughed but realized, despite the joviality, that they were serious,” the lawyer said. “So he told them in his informed opinion the idea they were proposing was false. ‘You are trying to create something out of nothing,’ he told them.” The agents left though the FBI sought more information in 2017 from the Russian, sources tell me. Waldman declined to say if Deripaska has been in contact with the FBI since Sept, 2016.
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Good thing for Mueller they ignored what he said and neglected to leak that one.

So I guess all those recusal rules don't apply if you consider yourself much too important, maybe Sessions could have avoided recusal too.
 
Renae said:
They are investigating the possibility of "collusion" with the Russians, and one of their targets is someone they not only worked with, got to pay 25 million in his own money to help but has gotten special visa's to visit the States. That leads to some "hmmm" moments and could cause legal issues for Mueller's probe.
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Did the covert action attempt to influence our election??? Did it attempt to close a real estate deal???? How about get funding to prop up some speculative real estate deal in Jersey??? Buy off a porn star???

No it was an attempt to rescue an agent in that E-Vile Iran place, how long ago????

Here, have another straw... :roll:
 
Renae said:
They are investigating the possibility of "collusion" with the Russians, and one of their targets is someone they not only worked with, got to pay 25 million in his own money to help but has gotten special visa's to visit the States. That leads to some "hmmm" moments and could cause legal issues for Mueller's probe.
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It really doesn't. Or at least nothing you've shown as of yet does. Can you show where Mueller got him special visas? And if he did how exactly that means that he now can't be trusted to investigate the guy? Conflicts of interest are real actual conflicts. If Mueller had serious money invested with the guy, has done serious business with the guy in the past and would stand to lose/gain money by how he investigates him etc. Just because the FBI dealt with the guy when he ran it means literally next to nothing in terms of conflict.
 
bubbabgone said:
The "guy" who played with Mueller was a Russian mobster oligarch paid by the FBI.
He was sanctioned by Trump.
It's that whole transparency thing.
McCabe was involved too.
And the "guy" was asked by the FBI about the Russian collusion theory and laughed it off.
“Deripaska laughed but realized, despite the joviality, that they were serious,” the lawyer said. “So he told them in his informed opinion the idea they were proposing was false. ‘You are trying to create something out of nothing,’ he told them.” The agents left though the FBI sought more information in 2017 from the Russian, sources tell me. Waldman declined to say if Deripaska has been in contact with the FBI since Sept, 2016.
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Good thing for Mueller they ignored what he said and neglected to leak that one.

So I guess all those recusal rules don't apply if you consider yourself much too important, maybe Sessions could have avoided recusal too.
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Can you show me where it says he was paid by the FBI? I don't see that anywhere.
 
roughdraft274 said:
It really doesn't. Or at least nothing you've shown as of yet does. Can you show where Mueller got him special visas? And if he did how exactly that means that he now can't be trusted to investigate the guy? Conflicts of interest are real actual conflicts. If Mueller had serious money invested with the guy, has done serious business with the guy in the past and would stand to lose/gain money by how he investigates him etc. Just because the FBI dealt with the guy when he ran it means literally next to nothing in terms of conflict.
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You can feel that way. Ithers find your conclusions as wishful thinking. Time will tell.
 
Renae said:
You can feel that way. Others find your conclusions as wishful thinking. Time will tell.
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Out of curiosity, do you think sessions had a conflict when it came to investigating the Trump admin over Russian tampering?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Can you show me where it says he was paid by the FBI? I don't see that anywhere.
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"The FBI rewarded Deripaska for his help. In fall 2009, according to U.S. entry records, Deripaska visited Washington on a rare law enforcement parole visa. And since 2011, he has been granted entry at least eight times on a diplomatic passport, even though he doesn’t work for the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Former FBI officials confirm they arranged the access.
Deripaska said in a statement through Adam Waldman, his American lawyer, that FBI agents told him State’s reasons for blocking his U.S. visa were “merely a pretext.” "​



"Payment-in-kind (PIK) is the use of a good or service as payment instead of cash. Payment in kind also refers to a financial instrument that pays interest or dividends to investors of bonds, notes or preferred stock with additional securities or equity instead of cash."

I guess I could have said "paid off" if you prefer.
 
bubbabgone said:
"The FBI rewarded Deripaska for his help. In fall 2009, according to U.S. entry records, Deripaska visited Washington on a rare law enforcement parole visa. And since 2011, he has been granted entry at least eight times on a diplomatic passport, even though he doesn’t work for the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Former FBI officials confirm they arranged the access.
Deripaska said in a statement through Adam Waldman, his American lawyer, that FBI agents told him State’s reasons for blocking his U.S. visa were “merely a pretext.” "​



"Payment-in-kind (PIK) is the use of a good or service as payment instead of cash. Payment in kind also refers to a financial instrument that pays interest or dividends to investors of bonds, notes or preferred stock with additional securities or equity instead of cash."

I guess I could have said "paid off" if you prefer.
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Ok, so he was never paid by the FBI?
 
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