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Fox military analyst says torture worked on McCain: 'They call him Songbird John'

Yes, he handed over a document created by a British Intelligence officer of rumors that he had gathered from Russian officials.

I think McCain's irony meter was just broken. When the Russians divulge rumors that are damning to an American politician it isn't for the good of the American people...

Also, that "trusted intelligence source" was eventually fired by the FBI for lying to them.

Doesn't matter what "eventually" happened. At the time the guy was a trusted source who had helped numerous times. As well as the fact that we are sitting here now knowing that some of the dossier has been verified. The argument that it should have just been entirely ignored by our intelligence agencies is down right stupid. Like, astoundingly stupid.
 
LOL. Isn't this thread about McCain being proud of distributing the Steele dossier, a document constructed entirely of rumors gathers from Russian Government officials? Why yes, yes it is.

Nope- and the Dossier was widely held by the Press and others.
 
The name Songbird John McTumor has a lovely ring. I'm going to make this go viral on Twitter. His disrespectful attitude towards our beloved president God has blessed this country with, he deserves to be called it. He was a collaborator with ISIS and the Vietcong, both enemies of the United States.
 
...Who referred to him as "Song Bird John"? And they do realize that there is quite a lot of research that demonstrates that torture doesn't work, yes?

Whoever did those studies is either lying, or stupid.
 
You should just go away

Sooner or later posters like them get the attention of the Mods and eventually banned. Until then don't waste your time.
 
The name Songbird John McTumor has a lovely ring. I'm going to make this go viral on Twitter. His disrespectful attitude towards our beloved president God has blessed this country with, he deserves to be called it. He was a collaborator with ISIS and the Vietcong, both enemies of the United States.

Your brain on trump, what a waste....
 
IMHO these attacks on McCain and others can be laid directly at the feet of Trump.
His attacks on McCain have been below disgusting, but what else can one expect from Cadet Bonespurs

Yeah, the whole Republicans being as pro-troops as they claim is a farce. They are pro-military spending and putting soldiers faces on that spending instead of a Boing CEO is just politics. Their recent history with different situations and the way their base has reacted has shown their true colors.
 
It's clear that the Trumpers here support torture, no different than the Kim regime.

MTGA - Make Torture Great Again
 
The name Songbird John McTumor has a lovely ring. I'm going to make this go viral on Twitter. His disrespectful attitude towards our beloved president God has blessed this country with, he deserves to be called it. He was a collaborator with ISIS and the Vietcong, both enemies of the United States.

God?

What God supports a man who mocks disabled people? What God condones a sexist pervert who boasts about grabbing "******s". What kind of a demented, ****ed up God would back a selfish prick who tells more lies than truths? What distorted idol do you have to worship to get a president as divisive and cruel? What son-of-a-bitch of a favoring God would pick a man who has lied as much as Trump?

What kind of a God backs a prick who kicks 25 million people off medical care? What kind of god signs off on taxing the poor and bloating th bank accounts of the rich?

My read of scripture is along the lines of the cruel rich have a s much chance at heaven as getting a camel through a needle. Trump's god is lucre.
 
https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/994653341346095104

Charles V Payne

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My Apology to Senator McCain and his Family
“This morning on a show I was hosting, a guest made a very false and derogatory remark about Senator John McCain. At the time, I had the control room in my ear telling me to wrap the segment, and did not hear the comment.

12:00 PM - 10 May 2018
 
God?

What God supports a man who mocks disabled people? What God condones a sexist pervert who boasts about grabbing "******s". What kind of a demented, ****ed up God would back a selfish prick who tells more lies than truths? What distorted idol do you have to worship to get a president as divisive and cruel? What son-of-a-bitch of a favoring God would pick a man who has lied as much as Trump?

What kind of a God backs a prick who kicks 25 million people off medical care? What kind of god signs off on taxing the poor and bloating th bank accounts of the rich?

My read of scripture is along the lines of the cruel rich have a s much chance at heaven as getting a camel through a needle. Trump's god is lucre.

You must love and be one with God to get the answers to your questions.
 

Telling the truth is not attacking:

John McCain: Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of the candidate reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty

Soon after McCain hit the ground in Hanoi, the code went out the window. "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital," he later admitted pleading with his captors. McCain now insists the offer was a bluff, designed to fool the enemy into giving him medical treatment. In fact, his wounds were attended to only after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a Navy admiral. What has never been disclosed is the manner in which they found out: McCain told them. According to Dramesi, one of the few POWs who remained silent under years of torture, McCain tried to justify his behavior while they were still prisoners. "I had to tell them," he insisted to Dramesi, "or I would have died in bed.
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But during the course of his medical treatment, McCain followed through on his offer of military information. Only two weeks after his capture, the North Vietnamese press issued a report — picked up by The New York Times — in which McCain was quoted as saying that the war was "moving to the advantage of North Vietnam and the United States appears to be isolated." He also provided the name of his ship, the number of raids he had flown, his squadron number and the target of his final raid.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016
 
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The pro torture crowd are deranged lunatics.
 
Fox is Trump TV, so, like Trump, it has no conscience or redeeming values. However, I will watch Fox for a few minutes if Mueller's investigation leads to Trump's downfall. Should be pretty entertaining.
 
The GOP needs to come clean. They do support torture. I am tired of hearing them debate what's torture and what's not, because they actually support torture.

Sorry but governments support torture because it works. Torture has been used to gain information for 10's of thousands of year not because it doesn't work. All governments and militaries acknowledge that anyone captured and tortured will tell all. That is the primary reason for only people with a need to know are given secret information. The real problem is what is torture and what is acceptable interrogation. That line varies from country to country and changes as we evolve and change what is acceptable.
 
The GOP needs to come clean. They do support torture. I am tired of hearing them debate what's torture and what's not, because they actually support torture.

Torture has been proven to provide results in some instances. I support torture when circumstances are dire for the country.

For example, SheWolf, do you support the torture foisted upon the President that is Russia gate?
 
Just consider how many US war criminals/US terrorists there were/are living among you when the USA has been at war for 93% of its years as a rogue nation.

That's been debunked, but leave it to you to continue to push a false narrative. :roll:
 
The GOP needs to come clean. They do support torture. I am tired of hearing them debate what's torture and what's not, because they actually support torture.

If someone kidnapped your child who needed medication to survive longer than a few hours -- and you caught the kidnapper, but he refused to tell you where your child was -- would you torture him in an attempt to save your child's life? Or would you just try to reason with him as the clock ran out?

What say you?
 
In that respect, it's not unlike indicting people with crimes just to get them to talk about someone else.

Wow, worst red herring ever! Congrats!!
 
Your brain on trump, what a waste....

The person has David Duke as his profile pic. Hopefully he'll find a happier home at Stormfront or similar cess pools.
 
God?

What God supports a man who mocks disabled people? What God condones a sexist pervert who boasts about grabbing "******s". What kind of a demented, ****ed up God would back a selfish prick who tells more lies than truths? What distorted idol do you have to worship to get a president as divisive and cruel? What son-of-a-bitch of a favoring God would pick a man who has lied as much as Trump?

What kind of a God backs a prick who kicks 25 million people off medical care? What kind of god signs off on taxing the poor and bloating th bank accounts of the rich?

My read of scripture is along the lines of the cruel rich have a s much chance at heaven as getting a camel through a needle. Trump's god is lucre.

Note the David Duke profile pic. All you need to know.
 
I won't defend the attacks, but I do find it interesting that so many sources try to minimize that the source is fellow war hero Gen. Thomas McInerney and instead blame Fox News.

Because that's where a guy goes who wants to slam McCain can go and not be challenged by the host. It's a Safe Zone for assholes and torture apologists.

And, yes, the host apologized. That's nice but the listeners heard this "war hero" insult a dying McCain for expressing what ought to be at least acceptable moral principles about which people can disagree without getting into the f'ing gutter.
 
If someone kidnapped your child who needed medication to survive longer than a few hours -- and you caught the kidnapper, but he refused to tell you where your child was -- would you torture him in an attempt to save your child's life? Or would you just try to reason with him as the clock ran out?

What say you?

Ah, yes, the ticking bomb scenario or its equivalent. Always the go to tactic for torture apologists. It works on TV!

My answer has always been let the law prohibit torture, and if a parent/cop decides to torture someone holding their child, fine, then the local prosecutor has a decision to charge or not charge, and a jury hearing the facts can convict or not. If a terrorist has information about a nuclear bomb, and torture saves the world, no prosecutor will charge the crime and no jury would convict. Furthermore, in a case of national security, any real patriot would trade the risk of jail for saving the world, and any parent would trade the hope of saving their child for the slight risk of jail. It's really not that difficult of a dilemma. If it matters, and torture 'works' the torturer has no worries.

But we know that torture wasn't just used on known terrorists - we treated prisoners we only suspected of being terrorists inhumanely, some died, and many were innocent. That's the problem. Once you have a legally justified torture program, the numbers of detainees that a government can justify torturing grows. Using your own domestic example, what if you catch a serial murderer who you "know" is guilty? Why not torture the guy to get a confession, get him off the street, and save lives? No principled reason why not if you've legalized torture in some cases. How about someone running a child pedophile ring? Torture away! He's scum! Etc.
 
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