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Fearandloathing said:
I agree, the nation pivoted left with Trudeau, our "center' is now very left of the US and will grow significantly by next year with pharma care coming in.

Mulcair was never a contender. He could make no connection with the people and didn't realize the west votes too; The Orange surge was one of the greatest electoral mutations ever. Notice how Trudeau stole Mulcaire's position without him even realizing it.

Politics change out here. Alberta's NDP is more liberal than most realize, our NDP is still finding its way; I have this vision of our premier staring at himself in the mirror in disbelief.

And, I will say we will be moving further to the left, as it has always been except in the Reagan/Mulroney era.
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D'accord.

I think a lot of that 'Orange surge' was due to Michael Ignatieff losing Quebec. If the Liberal Party loses Quebec in a Federal election, there's not enough seats in the west to make up the difference. The NDP, with their social policies, probably taste similar to the Parti Quebecois, which might be why they reaped all those seats instead of the Tories.
My guess.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I agree, the nation pivoted left with Trudeau, our "center' is now very left of the US and will grow significantly by next year with pharma care coming in.

Mulcair was never a contender. He could make no connection with the people and didn't realize the west votes too; The Orange surge was one of the greatest electoral mutations ever. Notice how Trudeau stole Mulcaire's position without him even realizing it.

Politics change out here. Alberta's NDP is more liberal than most realize, our NDP is still finding its way; I have this vision of our premier staring at himself in the mirror in disbelief.

And, I will say we will be moving further to the left, as it has always been except in the Reagan/Mulroney era.
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Well, I wouldn't say that Trudeau was the progenitor of the zeitgeist, so much as he tapped into it much unlike Mulcair, and ultimately, from the seat of power, gave it form, however diminished relative to his campaign promises. I will say that socially, we have moved significantly to the left with the nationwide legalization of marijuana, though economic movement in that direction has been much more incremental (national pharmacare is a big if, and I absolutely don't trust Trudeau to follow through per his betrayal on democratic reform).
 
MSgt said:
Great, another "Libertarian- Right" joined in March. Did a bus show up or something?

Socialism is no more a neutered version of communism than it is definitive to taxation within capitalist governments.

You appear to be making the mistake of equating socialist policies with the socialism of the Soviet Union or Mao's China. Thus dropping the word into the communist bucket. But the difference between the two is private property and industry. Communist socialism involves controlling the means of production at the state level. Capitalism really has no place in such a government. However, in socialist western Europe, capitalism is very much a defining aspect of government. This means that rather than seeing "socialism" as defining France or Spain, we see capitalism with socialist programs. The U.S. is also a capitalist nation with strong socialist programs within. Thus socialism cannot be simply reduced to being just a neutered version of communism.

Of course, then we get to Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party (NAZI) and we have to acknowledge what "socialist" meant to them. They hated capitalism and they hated communism. They wanted to redefine the word into meaning a government that celebrates private property and nationalizes certain industries for the national good.
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And socialism is a left-wing movement, is it not?
 
MSgt said:
From the looks of this, it appears that Jung-un already wanted to turn a corner with whoever the next President was going to be. Because:

1) The current sanctions on North Korea go back to the original sanctions of 2006. The sanctions last year are just the seventh and eighth resolution of that original sanction.

2) After an August 2016 test launch (only two that year), in which Jung-un declared could strike the U.S., the North Korea Sanctions and Policy Enhancement Act of 2016 was almost unanimously passed and even China took part by banning all imports of coal for the rest of that year. No doubt, Jung-un got the message when even China is showing signs of being fed up.

3) During Trump's public humiliations and insults in 2017, Jung-un conducted seventeen launches. Why not seventeen in 2016 with Obama in the White House? Because Jung-un felt the need to make a point.

So, despite Trump's personal need to puff out his chest, Jung-un (almost in spite) has reached his hand across the southern border to the South in 2018 after seventeen launches in 2017. I think Trump's pompous behavior actually pushed off what could have happened earlier last year when the point was already made. In the mean time, he looks for his flock to carry him around on their shoulders. It's much like what happened at the end of the Cold War when Reagan was given exaggerated credit for what was happening internally to the Soviet Union. Reagan seized upon it expertly since the U.S> was the intimate other side. Trump seems more of an intrusion into what is happening between two other nations.

* Dang. This thread isn't even about North Korea. Oops. So about Bernie's dastardly scheme to destroy America and obliterate freedom...
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I would not be so definite about North Korea.

WE don't know them very well and those who say they do are full of ****. I will say this, Kim has no intention of getting rid of the nukes he has. Trump is dreaming
 
Grand Mal said:
D'accord.

I think a lot of that 'Orange surge' was due to Michael Ignatieff losing Quebec. If the Liberal Party loses Quebec in a Federal election, there's not enough seats in the west to make up the difference. The NDP, with their social policies, probably taste similar to the Parti Quebecois, which might be why they reaped all those seats instead of the Tories.
My guess.
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There was a lot about the NDP win in Quebec that still begs answers, certainly the then NDP's policies more closely resembled Quebec thinking. That explains the surge.

You are right about Mulcare. He was seen as arrogant and an upstart in what many believe to be the homeland of social democracy and as trying to dictate to us in BC how many seats we should be happy with. We have 36 commons seats making us the highest population ratio in the country and just six wonderfully ridiculous senate seats again with a population ratio of 775,000 per senator....and Quebec at about 335,000. Mulcare took a stand on no increase for BC and cut off his nose. We really don't like easterners telling us what's good for us.

So far, the new NDP leader has yet to leave a mark in BC. I don't know his name and haven't seen one news item on him, and the Conservative leader appears to be a dud.
 
Cameron said:
I like the idea in theory. You could condition welfare benefits for able-bodied adults on working these jobs.

I’m certainly skeptical about how it would work in practice. This should probably be experimented with at the state and local level before becoming a federal program.
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It works like this: you are putting America on welfare with a work incentive just as it is today, but bigger. We have lots of poverty and high levels of immigration, legal and illegal. This is a plan to pay our unemployed to not work so immigrants can.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If there is a profit to be made, then the private sector will take care of it.

The budget can be taken from the money spent on means tested welfare programs. Put people to work instead of just handing out money, and they'll have more pride in themselves, will learn a work ethic, and will have something better to do that go around spraying graffiti and hanging out with low lifes.
Well, some of them anyway. Some just can't be rehabilitated.
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I would be against corporations taking over infrastructure and placing toll booths everywhere.
 
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