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MSNBC Ordered Ed Schultz Not To Cover Bernie Sanders, Then Fired Him

The narrative that Sanders didn't get airtime during the campaign is false. Sanders got plenty of airtime. Take it from a viewer.

The narrative that MSNBC was biased towards Hillary is also false. MSNBC covered entire Trump stump speeches. Is the OP suggesting that MSNBC was biased towards Trump?

They don't watch MSNBC so whenever something happens on the channel that gets picked up through the con echo chambers, they think it's the truth. This is just a PR stunt pulled by Schultz to hang onto any relevance he thinks he still has.

I find it incredibly amazing just how many Trump supporters also throw all their support behind Bernie Sanders as well. They actually think they are fighting the same fights! :lamo
 
That video is Schultz's opinion as to why they cancelled The Ed Show in 2015. It is also contrary to what he said back then, which was that MSNBC was changing its lineup.

The narrative that Sanders didn't get airtime during the campaign is false. Sanders got plenty of airtime. Take it from a viewer.

The narrative that MSNBC was biased towards Hillary is also false. MSNBC covered entire Trump stump speeches. Is the OP suggesting that MSNBC was biased towards Trump?

I'd suggest that Trump was a ratings machine given how audacious and different he was. Also it's not my 'narrative' that Sanders got no airtime, it's my assertion that he got substantially and disproportionately less than both Hillary and Trump during the primary cycle; per the Tyndall Report in 2015, he received 6 times less coverage than Hillary: 20 minutes to her 121.

Further, no, it's not just about Schultz's opinion on the cancellation of his show; that's a sideshow compared to his other allegations.


Both A and B represent an infringement of the radio station's rights. In the case of the FCC vs the League of Women Voters (the case that led to the FCC dropping the doctrine) SCOTUS determined that the regluation unfairly infringed on independent broadcasters, denying them the right to address their specific audience and prevented private groups from presenting their own views. The ACLU file for, and received, affirmance, by a 5-4 vote.

SCOTUS warned, back in Red Lion broadcasting case, where it upheld the doctrine, that if it was construed to infringe on Free Speech, which it later did, the decision could be reversed, so, if the FCC ever reinstates it (incredibly unlikely), it's most likely to get smacked down by SCOTUS anyway.

The 5-4 vote was actually about Congress forbidding editorials a media organization that received federal funds, which was in my view, indeed unconstitutional; this was not about the presentation of alternate view points or issues of public interest.

The 8-0 Red Lion vote is a more interesting case, and the unanimous vote recognizes both the purview of the FD and its value as a magnifier, not a silencer of free speech, as it was indeed an instance where there was a failure to present an opposing side on an issue of public interest.

Correct, we've learned that attempting to legislate fringe morality is usually counterproductive.

I wasn't proposing legislation, I'm saying that significant ethical breaches are news, and they are.

Not our business.

I disagree completely; if a news source is being disingenuous or deeply biased in a certain respect, and pretending to be otherwise, it is very much my business whether it is doing so

"Rudimentary, minimum standards" are in place. The Fairness Doctrine, as determined by the FCC, however, encroached on the independent nature of the broadcasters. Has the "quality and objectivity" suffered, as you say? Perhaps, but but preserving free speech, which was in question is more important.

That was their choice, and as a free society, we have to not just uphold MSNBC's choice, but the choice of all broadcasters to push their own agenda if they so choose. Americans are not brainless fools (well, for the most part) and the last thing we need is governmental interference in broadcasting. That's a slippery slope we don't even want to consider.

There are evidently no minimum standards that are worth spit per the conduct of modern MSM. The constitutionally of the FD was rightly and strongly upheld by the SCOTUS in cases where it served to expand speech while remaining within its mandate; it worked well. That said, there is a serious problem when mainstream mass media is fundamentally an oligarchy controlled by 6 corporations and they have no compunction to be truthful or present alternate views, and often aren't and don't; that is undeniably corrosive, in the long run, to the proper functioning of democracy.


How about instead of some massive conspiracy theory by MSNBC to not give Bernie Sanders air-time which is probably the most idiotic CT I've ever heard of. Maybe just maybe Schultz is angry, bitter and jealous of Sharpton or MSNBC??? News media personalities are known to be drama queens. They aren't exactly known for uncovering or concocting successful shadowy conspiracy theories.

Again, so why lie now specifically? Why lie now when that political contest is long past settled and Clinton has faded into complete and total irrelevancy? Why not make a stink about it when he was in a much better position to derive material benefit? It doesn't add up.

He's already got a secure position; his future is assured. He doesn't need the media attention.
 
Again, so why lie now specifically? Why lie now when that political contest is long past settled and Clinton has faded into complete and total irrelevancy? Why not make a stink about it when he was in a much better position to derive material benefit? It doesn't add up.

He's already got a secure position; his future is assured. He doesn't need the media attention.

If you are angry about something that you think happened against you. Logic doesn't matter. You are using logic to discuss a rant and you are wondering what logical reasons Schultz could have for ranting. There aren't any, and there certainly wasn't any conspiracy theory to fire him because he supported Sanders. I didn't even know that he did.
 
If you are angry about something that you think happened against you. Logic doesn't matter. You are using logic to discuss a rant and you are wondering what logical reasons Schultz could have for ranting. There aren't any, and there certainly wasn't any conspiracy theory to fire him because he supported Sanders. I didn't even know that he did.

It wasn't even really a rant though, it was a response to an interview question; this isn't stuff he volunteered out of nowhere, it was prompted. If he were really that angry, he'd surely have said something himself outside of an interview question.

What he actually did was relate his experience with editorial control, and provide his opinion on why he was fired. His unconfirmed opinion doesn't concern me personally; what does concern me is his first hand relation of said editorial controls. You're asserting that those editorial controls are a complete fabrication or exaggeration motivated by bitterness or a desire for gain, but again, if bitterness and a desire to get back at MSNBC was the driving animus/force, this is generally not how you'd relay those accusations, while a desire for gain/relevancy doesn't really hold up because he's got it pretty good now.
 
It wasn't even really a rant though, it was a response to an interview question; this isn't stuff he volunteered out of nowhere, it was prompted. If he were really that angry, he'd surely have said something himself.

What he actually did was relate his experience with editorial control, and provide his opinion on why he was fired. His unconfirmed opinion doesn't concern me personally; what does concern me is his first hand relation of said editorial controls. You're asserting that those editorial controls are a complete fabrication or exaggeration motivated by bitterness or a desire for gain, but again, if bitterness and a desire to get back at MSNBC was the driving animus/force, this is generally not how you'd relay those accusations, while a desire for gain/relevancy doesn't really hold up because he's got it pretty good now.

I wouldn't consider selling out to Russia Today, pretty good. His show probably gets no ratings over there, so he wants to make it go viral. Simple. Much simpler than firing Schultz for supporting Sanders which companies are legally not able to do.
 
I wouldn't consider selling out to Russia Today, pretty good. His show probably gets no ratings over there, so he wants to make it go viral. Simple. Much simpler than firing Schultz for supporting Sanders which companies are legally not able to do.

He gets a steady paycheque, he has editorial control (barring I would estimate issues concerning Russia, but that's not the thrust of his show) and RT gets a pretty decent share of eyeballs, so I would doubt it. Also this is not how you go about doing that sort of thing, waiting to get baited into it via an interview as an aside, solitary question. Also, if he were just going to lie for the sake of attention, there are better and more sensational ways to do it.

In the end, there's no smoking gun one way or the other, but in balance, I think his assertions on editorial control are more plausible than not because:

A: Phil Griffin never denied his allegations.

B: MSNBC (along with most of the media to be fair) gave Clinton disproportionate air time.

C: Wikileaks e-mails demonstrating an unprofessional closeness between MSNBC producers and the Clinton campaign, including what was tantamount to a PR segment for her.

D: MSNBC's general pro-establishment/Democrat bias.

E: The timing and presentation of his allegations are fairly inconsistent with an intent to maximize publicity or revenge; there were better ways to get both.

F: What he alleged actually did happen; Bernie's announcement was unusually displaced by old news that had already been through the news cycle multiple times, including for over a month.

That's the bottom line in my view.
 
He gets a steady paycheque, he has editorial control (barring I would estimate issues concerning Russia, but that's not the thrust of his show) and RT gets a pretty decent share of eyeballs, so I would doubt it. Also this is not how you go about doing that sort of thing, waiting to get baited into it via an interview as an aside, solitary question. Also, if he were just going to lie for the sake of attention, there are better and more sensational ways to do it.

In the end, there's no smoking gun one way or the other, but in balance, I think his assertions on editorial control are more plausible than not because:

A: Phil Griffin never denied his allegations.

B: MSNBC (along with most of the media to be fair) gave Clinton disproportionate air time.

C: Wikileaks e-mails demonstrating an unprofessional closeness between MSNBC producers and the Clinton campaign, including what was tantamount to a PR segment for her.

D: MSNBC's general pro-establishment/Democrat bias.

E: The timing and presentation of his allegations are fairly inconsistent with an intent to maximize publicity or revenge; there were better ways to get both.

F: What he alleged actually did happen; Bernie's announcement was unusually displaced by old news that had already been through the news cycle multiple times, including for over a month.

That's the bottom line in my view.

Or he could just be a drama queen no six step process needed for that.
 
I disagree completely; if a news source is being disingenuous or deeply biased in a certain respect, and pretending to be otherwise, it is very much my business whether it is doing so

It is only your business (or mine) if it's being streamed non-stop into our lives while we have no ability to stop it. Thankfully, we can stop it. We don't have to watch it or listen to it.

We can change the channel.
 
Can't trust any news these days, moving to Alaska lmao
 
Wow.

Leftist 'news' (political propaganda) media outlet so deep in the pocket for Hillary they banned one of theirs covering Bernie.
And then fired him.

Imagine that.

Imagine that MSNBC put the political agenda before news, and before treating Schultz fairly, so deep is their commitment to their political agenda, apparently.
 
i have a question.

if MSNBC and the other sources of news media were suppoosedly "in the tank" for Hillary Clinton, as some people seem to claim, then why did the mainstream media obsess over the issue of Her Emails, devoting more hours on air discussing the issue of her emails than anything of value about Clintons positions or platform?

If the media was in the tank for clinton, why did they air the stories about her emails that did so much to damage her position in the polls?
 
i have a question.

if MSNBC and the other sources of news media were suppoosedly "in the tank" for Hillary Clinton, as some people seem to claim, then why did the mainstream media obsess over the issue of Her Emails, devoting more hours on air discussing the issue of her emails than anything of value about Clintons positions or platform?

If the media was in the tank for clinton, why did they air the stories about her emails that did so much to damage her position in the polls?

Sounds like he's going unhinged. He had a much more professional good-bye when it happened: The Ed Show with Ed Schultz on msnbc
 
It is only your business (or mine) if it's being streamed non-stop into our lives while we have no ability to stop it. Thankfully, we can stop it. We don't have to watch it or listen to it.

We can change the channel.

We can, absolutely, but first we have to find out who the dishonest actors are; establishing facts like this, which reveal that bias, are important.

Beyond that though, the problem with media bias has become encompassing and systemic; again, 6 corporations control the MSM and 90% of all media per 2011 (consolidation which has only worsened), and there seems nowhere to turn, barring independent media on the internet, and other unconventional mediums.

i have a question.

if MSNBC and the other sources of news media were suppoosedly "in the tank" for Hillary Clinton, as some people seem to claim, then why did the mainstream media obsess over the issue of Her Emails, devoting more hours on air discussing the issue of her emails than anything of value about Clintons positions or platform?

If the media was in the tank for clinton, why did they air the stories about her emails that did so much to damage her position in the polls?

I'm not making claims about other media in general (though Wikileaks emails indeed show unprofessional, even incestuous closeness between her campaign and a multitude of media sources), but about MSNBC specifically.

As to MSNBC's coverage of the e-mail issue, what choice did it have really, particularly if it wanted to maintain some kind of appearance of impartiality (nevermind the largely uncritical/minimizing tone of that coverage)? I'd say that, beyond their political lean, that's the primary difference between it and Fox News; Fox News revels openly in being a propaganda channel, while MSNBC tries for at least the appearance of impartiality. However, that appearance quickly falls apart when you consider relative coverage times, editorial controls/slant, and particularly scathing, smoking guns like Sheara Braun's e-mail to the Clinton campaign. It's not like even Fox News has never run unflattering stories on Trump; it just tends to marginalize, spin and bury them.
 
We can, absolutely, but first we have to find out who the dishonest actors are; establishing facts like this, which reveal that bias, are important.

Beyond that though, the problem with media bias has become encompassing and systemic; again, 6 corporations control the MSM and 90% of all media per 2011 (consolidation which has only worsened), and there seems nowhere to turn, barring independent media on the internet, and other unconventional mediums.



I'm not making claims about other media in general (though Wikileaks emails indeed show unprofessional, even incestuous closeness between her campaign and a multitude of media sources), but about MSNBC specifically.

As to MSNBC's coverage of the e-mail issue, what choice did it have really, particularly if it wanted to maintain some kind of appearance of impartiality (nevermind the largely uncritical/minimizing tone of that coverage)? I'd say that, beyond their political lean, that's the primary difference between it and Fox News; Fox News revels openly in being a propaganda channel, while MSNBC tries for at least the appearance of impartiality. However, that appearance quickly falls apart when you consider relative coverage times, editorial controls/slant, and particularly scathing, smoking guns like Sheara Braun's e-mail to the Clinton campaign. It's not like even Fox News has never run unflattering stories on Trump; it just tends to marginalize, spin and bury them.

70% of the media's coverage of clinton's campagin was devoted to the email issue. if the media was in the tank for clinton, the email story would have been relegated to 10% of the media's coverage.
 
Reality: There was DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign and their operatives in MSM to screw over Bernie and his supporters.

That's the real collusion story...
 
We can, absolutely, but first we have to find out who the dishonest actors are; establishing facts like this, which reveal that bias, are important.

Beyond that though, the problem with media bias has become encompassing and systemic; again, 6 corporations control the MSM and 90% of all media per 2011 (consolidation which has only worsened), and there seems nowhere to turn, barring independent media on the internet, and other unconventional mediums.
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And yet, look at the difference between Fox, the Wall St. Journal, and the NYPost. All are owned by News Corp, yet all three are substantially different in bias, so it appears to be more correlation than causation.

But, citizens have the net now. They can listedn/read dozens of stories from many, many different outlets. It's not like we don't have a smorgasbord from which to choose.

The only thing we need to do is to ensure we never fall for a predatory bill again, even if it's given a spiffy name like the Fairness Doctrine.
 


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahb...-fired-me-because-i-supported-bernie-n2471634



Pretty much further confirmation of things that have long been suspected.

This is a problem that goes far beyond Sanders by the way: the incestuous and symbiotic relationship between political figures and corporate interests sympathetic to each other (whether MSNBC and Clinton or Fox News and Trump) in a massively and increasingly consolidated mass media ecosphere (per the Telecommunications Act of 1996) that has no obligation to be even remotely balanced since the 87 repeal of the Fairness Doctrine is glaring and alarming for obvious reasons.


Yes. Corporate cable news is all about money, profit. All three, Fox, CNN and MSNBC give their viewership the news in the way they want to hear it. This is way conservatives, pro-Trumpers gravitate toward Fox, liberal and anti-Trumpers to CNN and MSNBC. None of them are objective or report the straight news. All of them give it their political slant. All three have taken sides in our political battles.

This is why I think trust in the media to report the news accurately, fully and fair has sunk to an all time low of just 32% of all Americans.

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

It seems all three cable news networks do report the event or happening. There are times when that event is fully reported, portions left out along with reporting on it with the political slant which ever network wants their viewership to hear or see. This is why one can watch an event and see it reported on Fox as the best thing that ever happened to Trump and see the same event as the worst thing that ever happened to Trump on CNN and MSNBC.

The bottom line is outside of these cable news channels letting you know an event happened, you can't trust the rest.
 
70% of the media's coverage of clinton's campagin was devoted to the email issue. if the media was in the tank for clinton, the email story would have been relegated to 10% of the media's coverage.

Can you source that? I can see it being true of the media generally, but definitely not MSNBC, which is what I'm concerned with per this thread.

I can show you that in MSNBC's case specifically, coverage of the e-mail matter was both relatively sparse and minimizing: https://api.gdeltproject.org/api/v2...DCLOUD=INCLUDE&SHOW_TOPCLIPS=INCLUDE&CREATE=1


And yet, look at the difference between Fox, the Wall St. Journal, and the NYPost. All are owned by News Corp, yet all three are substantially different in bias, so it appears to be more correlation than causation.

Yet all three absolutely have a conservative bent going on more populist conservative, Fox and NYPost in particular; Wall St. Journal generally tries to avoid the populism thing due to its demographic.

But, citizens have the net now. They can listedn/read dozens of stories from many, many different outlets. It's not like we don't have a smorgasbord from which to choose.

The only thing we need to do is to ensure we never fall for a predatory bill again, even if it's given a spiffy name like the Fairness Doctrine.

The Fairness Doctrine I maintain was not predatory and was well-regulated by the SCOTUS and courts to faithfully and successfully achieve its mandate per all indications and evidence to date.

That said, yes, I absolutely agree the internet is a great force of good in terms of undermining dangerous, democratically corrosive private media hegemonies.


Yes. Corporate cable news is all about money, profit. All three, Fox, CNN and MSNBC give their viewership the news in the way they want to hear it. This is way conservatives, pro-Trumpers gravitate toward Fox, liberal and anti-Trumpers to CNN and MSNBC. None of them are objective or report the straight news. All of them give it their political slant. All three have taken sides in our political battles.

This is why I think trust in the media to report the news accurately, fully and fair has sunk to an all time low of just 32% of all Americans.

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

It seems all three cable news networks do report the event or happening. There are times when that event is fully reported, portions left out along with reporting on it with the political slant which ever network wants their viewership to hear or see. This is why one can watch an event and see it reported on Fox as the best thing that ever happened to Trump and see the same event as the worst thing that ever happened to Trump on CNN and MSNBC.

The bottom line is outside of these cable news channels letting you know an event happened, you can't trust the rest.

I think it's more than just ratings, and that the ownership/management of these news companies definitely have narratives and agendas they want to push, and others they want to destroy, though yes, they are first and foremost a business so ratings often supercede other considerations; both the profit motive in attempting to appeal to a certain partisan demographic and self-dealing attempts to propagandize to achieve political (and thus economic goals) are powerful, perverse influences on the accuracy of MSM reporting.
 
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But that's what happened (nevermind the relative and ongoing deficit of air time he enjoyed relative to Trump/Clinton).

Again, as I've noted prior, it was a last second decision by the chief of MSNBC not to air Bernie's announcement in favour of old news. The storms flooding Texas and Oklahoma dissipated a day prior; coverage over its duration was extensive, and Freddie Gray had been covered, as stated, for more than a month by that time.

Also worth noting, MSNBC may be 'liberal' by Washington standards, but not by any objective frame of reference; let's not forget that Clinton is a right of centre politician, at best (in Canada she'd be considered firmly right wing on everything but social issues), to the rest of the developed world, and her politics are far more compatible with MSNBC's leanings than Bernie's.


Where you are on social issues pretty much defines where you are on the political spectrum. Corporate dems are blue dogs, but left of centre, neverthless. Hillary would have not done anything to undermine the ACA, but a right of center politician would have.
 
So they did not order Schultz not to cover Sanders, but to instead, on one occasion with two bigger stories happening, to cover those over a particular event. Dishonest thread title much?

It's not a dishonest thread. It is merely one more example out of hundreds of how the public perception (and subsequent behavior) is manipulated by the powers that be. Sharyl Attkisson is another example, and of course as the story mentions, many others.

Many of us already knew this went on, some did not. It's why the mainstream media has ZERO credibility.
 
Where you are on social issues pretty much defines where you are on the political spectrum. Corporate dems are blue dogs, but left of centre, neverthless. Hillary would have not done anything to undermine the ACA, but a right of center politician would have.

I think you might be confusing the right/left axis which is economically oriented, with the socially oriented authoritarian/libertarian axis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass

Clinton and blue dog/corporate democrats are very much right wing by the standards of the rest of the developed world; as stated, only by the supremely skewed metric/orthodoxy of Washington could they be considered left of centre (and yes, relatively speaking per that thoroughly perverse metric, they probably are).
 
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I think you might be confusing the right/left axis which is economically oriented, with the authoritarian/libertarian axis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass

Clinton and blue dog/corporate democrats are very much right wing by the standards of the rest of the developed world; as stated, only by the supremely skewed metric/orthodoxy of Washington could they be considered left of centre (and yes, relatively speaking per that thoroughly perverse metric, they probably are).


Axis schmaxis, everyone, including that site, has an opinion. Being a democrat most of my life, if you favor universal health care or the ACA, support Roe V Wade, you are center left at the minimum, if you add wanting higher taxes for the super rich, you are a liberal or progressive. You can be a liberal that likes "capitalism for wants, socialism for needs", which is where I am and I favor a return of higher taxes for the super rich to help reduce the deficit, keep inflation down ( inflation is a tax on the poor an/or those who cannot hedge, though indirectly, it's very real ).
 
Axis schmaxis, everyone, including that site, has an opinion. Being a democrat most of my life, if you favor universal health care or the ACA, support Roe V Wade, you are center left at the minimum, if you add wanting higher taxes for the super rich, you are a liberal or progressive. You can be a liberal that likes "capitalism for wants, socialism for needs", which is where I am and I favor a return of higher taxes for the super rich to help reduce the deficit, keep inflation down ( inflation is a tax on the poor an/or those who cannot hedge, though indirectly, it's very real ).

Everything is relative to a political frame of reference, and the concept of political axes is well established: social, and economic. One can be on what is identifiable as the political left on one of those axes, while simultaneously being on the right on the other.

I'm a lifelong Dem too, and someone who generally believes in 'capitalism for wants, socialism for needs' but I also am a dual citizen of Canada, and I can tell you straight up that relative to that frame of reference (which is to the right of Europe's in turn), Clinton is firmly on the economic right outside of a very distorted, local and uniquely American political orthodoxy/Overton Window. Only per Washington would she be considered anywhere on the left in terms of the economic axis.
 
Everything is relative to a political frame of reference, and the concept of political axes is well established: social, and economic. One can be on what is identifiable as the political left on one of those axes, while simultaneously being on the right on the other.

I'm a lifelong Dem too, and someone who generally believes in 'capitalism for wants, socialism for needs' but I also am a dual citizen of Canada, and I can tell you straight up that relative to that frame of reference (which is to the right of Europe's in turn), Clinton is firmly on the economic right outside of a very distorted, local and uniquely American political orthodoxy/Overton Window. Only per Washington would she be considered anywhere on the left in terms of the economic axis.


Thank you, but I've never been to Canada or Europe, and America's version of this is my only reference.
 
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