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Joint statement from Goodlatte, Gowdy and Nunes on Comey memos

vesper said:
It's not the first time people scratched their heads over Trump's tweets. For example, Trump made the claim he was being wiretapped on Twitter. But it turned out members of his campaign and transition team were being surveilled. Trump learned about it when Admiral Rogers went to visit Trump at Trump Tower after the election where his transition team was operating without informing anyone in the Obama administration. He had come across suspicious activities within other agencies and ran an audit. What he discovered were abuses in seeking FISA warrants and hand walked the evidence to FISC. After Roger's visit to Trump Tower, the transition team moved to Trump's golf course in NJ while the Tower was swept for bugs.

You can call it being wiretapped, surveilled etc. the truth is Obama's intel were spying on members of Trump's team intercepting any calls they made or received then branched out their surveillance from there all the while unmasking excessive number of Americans making their names available for many in government to read.

Trump's tweets about McCabe appear to have been true also with the IG referring McCabe for criminal prosecution.

Trump's tweets about Comey also appear to have some weight to them as we learned yesterday that Comey is under investigation for leaking.

So before you mock Trump once again or an article that gives a different view than yours, maybe you should ponder on the idea that maybe Trump knows more than you do of what went on.
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"You can call it being wiretapped, surveilled etc. the truth is Obama's intel were spying on members of Trump's team intercepting any calls they made or received then branched out their surveillance from there all the while unmasking excessive number of Americans making their names available for many in government to read. "

These facts are undisputed, and these facts substantiate the abuse of power that the Obama administration needs to answer for, as well as the continued use of the suspect dossier as the main 'evidence' for continuing the FISA warrant and surveillance.

When a sitting administration uses the nation's Intel assets to surveil an opposition presidential campaign on suspect 'evidence', what do you call that nation and that government?

A banana republic is the kindest. Wouldn't tyrannical or authoritarian also be applicable and appropriate?
 
eohrnberger said:
"You can call it being wiretapped, surveilled etc. the truth is Obama's intel were spying on members of Trump's team intercepting any calls they made or received then branched out their surveillance from there all the while unmasking excessive number of Americans making their names available for many in government to read. "

These facts are undisputed, and these facts substantiate the abuse of power that the Obama administration needs to answer for, as well as the continued use of the suspect dossier as the main 'evidence' for continuing the FISA warrant and surveillance.
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The facts are disputed. The only known FISA/surveillance warrant was on Carter Page and it was obtained after he left the campaign. The other calls we know about were apparently picked up because we routinely wiretap Russians, and calls to/from people who are subject to FISA warrants, like Russian spies and diplomats, are picked up, like we know they wiretap all our diplomats in Russia.

When a sitting administration uses the nation's Intel assets to surveil an opposition presidential campaign on suspect 'evidence', what do you call that nation and that government?

A banana republic is the kindest. Wouldn't tyrannical or authoritarian also be applicable and appropriate?
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The problem is you're missing the evidence that such a thing happened. And Trump won, so if what you say is true, he can hold those people accountable for their crimes.
 
JasperL said:
The facts are disputed. The only known FISA/surveillance warrant was on Carter Page and it was obtained after he left the campaign. The other calls we know about were apparently picked up because we routinely wiretap Russians, and calls to/from people who are subject to FISA warrants, like Russian spies and diplomats, are picked up, like we know they wiretap all our diplomats in Russia.



The problem is you're missing the evidence that such a thing happened. And Trump won, so if what you say is true, he can hold those people accountable for their crimes.
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President doesn't have the power to declare crimes against anyone.

Isn't that part of the AG's role?

And isn't be bound by applicable laws and actual criminal activities the FBI investigation uncovers?

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eohrnberger said:
President doesn't have the power to declare crimes against anyone.

Isn't that part of the AG's role?

And isn't be bound by applicable laws and actual criminal activities the FBI investigation uncovers?
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Right, but there is no impediment other than lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories preventing anyone from investigating and charging people with those awful crimes of illegally surveilling Trump.

Thank goodness in this regard Hillary didn't win, because if she had one, you guys would all be claiming Hillary called off her prosecutors to bury the alleged crimes. That doesn't work now. Why would Sessions protect Comey or whoever? Why would Wray do so?
 
JasperL said:
Right, but there is no impediment other than lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories preventing anyone from investigating and charging people with those awful crimes of illegally surveilling Trump.
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Given what's been released to the public of that matter, I don't think claiming lack of evidence is factually founded. What I would concede is what has been released to the public doesn't raise to the level of court evidence, and would require a more thorough investigation to make it so.

Thank goodness in this regard Hillary didn't win, because if she had one, you guys would all be claiming Hillary called off her prosecutors to bury the alleged crimes. That doesn't work now. Why would Sessions protect Comey or whoever? Why would Wray do so?
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I'll let the wheels of justice grind forward to their inevitable end on this.

I don't think that Sessions or Wray are protecting anyone. Might be just allowing an on going criminal investigation presently unknown to the public proceed at its own pace.

I dunno for sure, I don't think that anyone, at least in the public, knows for sure.
 
The FBI, DoJ, judges, Attorney Generals, and the media are all enemies of Trump. They are all enemies of the people. They must be destroyed. Anyone who is in any of these institutions should be sacked if it is suspected they are not Trump supporters.
 
vesper said:
That's kinda funny coming from someone who on countless occasions saw Schiff to be highly credible.

Let's just take one of their paragraphs in their statement over McCabe.

"The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe."

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4442900-Ex-FBI-Director-James-Comey-s-memos.html

And today with IG Horowitz's findings Trump had good reason to question McCabe. But let's not stop there Comey is now is pointing fingers at McCabe saying he lied and McCabe's attorneys are pointing their fingers back calling Comey a liar over things that occurred long before Trump was ever sworn into office. You and other lefties seem to forget it was the Democrats that wanted Comey and the FBI investigated over their handling of the Clinton email probe. Horowitz took on the investigation weeks before Trump was sworn in.

YOU ALL have a very convenient memory.
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"Foxicated" God help you.
 
jghiretire said:
"Foxicated" God help you.
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I post links supporting what I present in my posts. I try to post links to Pultizer prize winning news reporting sources.

No supporting links in the posts of vesper, eohrnberger, eohrnberger, only opinions resulting from exposure to their insular, politically extreme, information and analysis feeds.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/comey-house-intel-russia-hearing-trump/card/1490023229
Mar 20, 2017 at 11:20 am ET
Analysis
Rogers Refutes White House Allegation U.K. Agency Spied on Trump on Obama's Behalf
Adm. Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, refuted the allegation first made by a Fox News commentator and subsequently read aloud by White House spokesman Sean Spicer that the U.S. asked a British intelligence agency to spy on Donald Trump during the presidential campaign.

"I have seen nothing at the NSA that we engaged in such activity," Adm. Rogers said, adding that to ask the British to spy on a U.S. citizen would violate U.S. law.

Fox News said Friday: "Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the United States was surveilled at any time, in any way, full stop.” In a statement, GCHQ, which rarely comments on media reports, said any claim that the agency was asked to conduct surveillance on Mr. Trump is “utterly ridiculous.”

With the response from Adm. Rogers, all of Mr. Trump's key claims that his predecessor illegally spied on him have been refuted, both by Adm. Rogers and FBI Director James Comey, who earlier said there is no evidence at the FBI or the Department of Justice that Mr. Obama ordered a wiretap on Mr. Trump.
-Shane Harris
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BREAKING NEWS: THE ONLY THING DEVIN NUNES IS WORKING ON IS THE OPPOSITE OF EXPOSING TRUTH. TOP TRUMP TOADY IS NUNES'S GOAL AND ACCOMPLISHMENT.
There can be no reasonably coherent debate with volk who have permitted their outlooks to be infected with utter BS:

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

Operation Condor – How NSA Director Mike Rogers Saved The U.S. From a Massive Constitutional Crisis…
Posted on January 5, 2018 by sundance
This outline is the story of how the FBI Counterintelligence Division and DOJ National Security Division were weaponized. This outline is the full story of what House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes is currently working to expose. This outline exposes the biggest political scandal in U.S. history. This outline is also the story of how one man’s action likely saved our constitutional republic.
His name is Admiral Mike Rogers.
vesper said:
It's not the first time people scratched their heads over Trump's tweets. For example, Trump made the claim he was being wiretapped on Twitter. But it turned out members of his campaign and transition team were being surveilled. Trump learned about it when Admiral Rogers went to visit Trump at Trump Tower after the election where his transition team was operating without informing anyone in the Obama administration. He had come across suspicious activities within other agencies and ran an audit. What he discovered were abuses in seeking FISA warrants and hand walked the evidence to FISC. After Roger's visit to Trump Tower, the transition team moved to Trump's golf course in NJ while the Tower was swept for bugs.

You can call it being wiretapped, surveilled etc. the truth is Obama's intel were spying on members of Trump's team intercepting any calls they made or received then branched out their surveillance from there all the while unmasking excessive number of Americans making their names available for many in government to read.

Trump's tweets about McCabe appear to have been true also with the IG referring McCabe for criminal prosecution.

Trump's tweets about Comey also appear to have some weight to them as we learned yesterday that Comey is under investigation for leaking.

So before you mock Trump once again or an article that gives a different view than yours, maybe you should ponder on the idea that maybe Trump knows more than you do of what went on.
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I’m calling the back-story to the 2016 FISA 702(16)(17) political corruption by the Obama administration “Operation Condor”. Those of you familiar with the film “Three Days of The Condor” will note how the real life storyline almost mirrors the Hollywood film. For the real life version, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers plays the role of “Condor”......
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The reason Comey didn't feel compelled to memorialize the discussions he had with all of those other individuals probably has something to do with the fact that Trump is a corrupt slime ball and engaged in behavior was likely to cause serious problems for the country.

Given the dumpster fire of a presidency that Trump has created, I'd say keeping those notes was both a good idea and a self-preservation action. Comey knew what was likely to happen and he was making sure he could defend himself when the **** hit the fan.

Basically we have some partisan politicians making a statement containing their spin on the Comey memos. What's the huge story here?
 
Lerxst said:
The reason Comey didn't feel compelled to memorialize the discussions he had with all of those other individuals probably has something to do with the fact that Trump is a corrupt slime ball and engaged in behavior was likely to cause serious problems for the country.

Given the dumpster fire of a presidency that Trump has created, I'd say keeping those notes was both a good idea and a self-preservation action. Comey knew what was likely to happen and he was making sure he could defend himself when the **** hit the fan.

Basically we have some partisan politicians making a statement containing their spin on the Comey memos. What's the huge story here?
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Comey said he leaked the memo's to prompt the appointment of a special prosecutor. I've read the memo's and nothing in them justifies the appointment of a special prosecutor. Comey's credibility was hanging by a thread before he decided to go on his book tour. Now its obliterated
 
Fenton said:
Comey said he leaked the memo's to prompt the appointment of a special prosecutor. I've read the memo's and nothing in them justifies the appointment of a special prosecutor. Comey's credibility was hanging by a thread before he decided to go on his book tour. Now its obliterated
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You might be correct. You might not. We shall see.

Either way he is still more credible than Donald Trump.
 
Lerxst said:
You might be correct. You might not. We shall see.

Either way he is still more credible than Donald Trump.
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Spoiler: he's not.

People in Trump's campaign had communications with several figures from the Kremlin and Wikileaks, who were responsible for the hacking and releasing of DNC internal emails. That alone is cause for a special counsel -- Watergate had less.
 
MovingPictures said:
Spoiler: he's not.

People in Trump's campaign had communications with several figures from the Kremlin and Wikileaks, who were responsible for the hacking and releasing of DNC internal emails. That alone is cause for a special counsel -- Watergate had less.
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You mean the same people that had been under investigation for months before the election ?

A investigation that led to zero evidence of collusion ? There's still zero evidence of collusion by the way

Regardless, Comey's justification for leaking classified memo's doesn't' add up
There's nothing in the memo's that warrant a SP let alone a FBI investigation
 
Fenton said:
You mean the same people that had been under investigation for months before the election ?
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What are you talking about?

A investigation that led to zero evidence of collusion ? There's still zero evidence of collusion by the way
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You obviously haven't been keeping track of the public record of circumstantial evidence, or you're just being disingenuous. Don Jr, Kushner, Stone, Flynn, Papadopoulos, they're all on record talking to Kremlin operatives and Wikileaks during the election that alluded to possible stolen emails the Russian government was in possession of, that would be released if the campaign was open to repealing sanctions on Russia.

Is there anything criminal? Not as of yet. I personally think these incidents are improper and reckless, but proving anybody is criminally liable is a herculean feat. Still, the public deserves to know the truth, whatever it might be.

Regardless, Comey's justification for leaking classified memo's doesn't' add up
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Comey didn't leak any classified information, that is a lie which congressional Republicans have spread. The memo that was made public was redacted, while the memo that contained classified information was passed to the special counsel upon his appointment.

The irony is that the Republicans leaked the memo that contained the actual classified stuff, within mere hours of obtaining it.:lamo

There's nothing in the memo's that warrant a SP let alone a FBI investigation
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:roll:

As if anything would ever convince you that your idol might be guilty of misconduct.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not sure I said that.






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Trump weaponization: "Meh. May happen. May not happen."

"And you, no doubt, will lead the cheers." "If it does, I'm not so sure that your prediction is going to come true." (I won't be cheering)

K?
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You have never shown any capacity to be even remotely critical of any Republican, much less Trump. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
rocket88 said:
You have never shown any capacity to be even remotely critical of any Republican, much less Trump. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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I've already posted that I didn't agree with Trump as to tariffs.

There are lots of things I don't agree with Trump on, or with Trump doing. I've posted this before as well. I"m fare more agenda driven.

Your post is a fail.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I've already posted that I didn't agree with Trump as to tariffs.

There are lots of things I don't agree with Trump on, or with Trump doing. I've posted this before as well. I"m fare more agenda driven.

Your post is a fail.
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Right....you disagreed wlth your false idol once, so you're suddenly a moderate.
 
rocket88 said:
Right....you disagreed wlth your false idol once, so you're suddenly a moderate.
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Trump is not my idol. I just happen to agree with some of the agenda he's moving forward.
 
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