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Cohen doubles down on claim he's never been to Prague after Mueller report

Deuce said:
You want the president in power even if he murders a baby while forcing a woman at gunpoint to abort another baby and simultaneously handing nuclear launch codes to Russia. This is a fun game we are playing.

I want Trump to be impeached, I know you hate that part of the constitution now that there's an R in office, but it exists.
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And what's the impeachment charge? Be precise. Use the constitution to back up your charge.
 
apdst said:
That's a lie and you know it. I've said time and again that if y'all come up with real evidence of a real crime--not an imaginary crime--I'll lead the charge. So far? We haven't seen anything close to that.
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Interesting how you get to make up bull**** motivations for others but get so triggered when people do it to you.

I want a full and thorough investigation and for Congress to make the right choice based on that evidence. If you claim otherwise, you are a liar. Are you claiming otherwise?
 
trixare4kids said:
And what's the impeachment charge? Be precise. Use the constitution to back up your charge.
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In that scenario it would be homicide and treason. The abortion thing I'm not sure what you'd call it, legally speaking. Kidnapping/torture?
 
Deuce said:
Interesting how you get to make up bull**** motivations for others but get so triggered when people do it to you.

I want a full and thorough investigation and for Congress to make the right choice based on that evidence. If you claim otherwise, you are a liar. Are you claiming otherwise?
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You just want President Trump removed from office. You don't care how it's done, or if it's even legal.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Right there. This is collusion, when proven. Also Dossier has been most proven, but don't tell that to Trump supporters.
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So this is how they connect the dots, what a bunch of nut jobs! Cohen lied about not being in Prague, therefore the
Russian collusion must be true--the content of the salacious dossier must be true--therefore the request for the FISA
warrant was legitimate and not a fraud on the court.

Even Comey’s pal Benjamin Wittes is on twitter saying the Cohen Prague story is too good to be true &
shouldn’t be believed. These Mueller criminals are overplaying their hand. This story was debunked a long time ago.

They are desperate to prove this is true because a large part of the Original FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was
based on Cohen having a meeting in Prague. Without it being true, the FISA warrant, Carter Page criminal case, and all
FISA extensions of the original warrant are moot. The whole dam thing blows up in their face.

They're not going to give up. They have too much invested in Russiagate now. I fear they will fabricate evidence.
 
cabse5 said:
Someone has to try and justify the raid on Cohen's office. Hence the leak or attempted leak by someone. The lawyer-client privilege thing was obliterated in this case, you know. One lawyer many clients.
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Cohen has been described as having had only one client; The Donald.
 
apdst said:
They have the media on their side. That puts reality and truth at a direct disadvantage.
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Disclaimer: I preface these remarks with the fact that there are leftists who think critically and independently. I have encountered a very few here at DP, but they are oh so rare both here and elsewhere.

It is a fact that the left controls a huge lion's share of the MSM, most of academia, most of the scientific community, and even control some of the watchdog groups--think the ACLU who has been mum on the Cohen issue. They have ability to exercise a huge amount of mind control and a free rein to indoctrinate instead of encourage critical thinking.

We conservatives/libertarians often disagree on various points and concepts which makes it difficult at times to reach a consensus and will usually result in compromise to achieve common goals, most especially when it is a serious issue. Look how long it took the classical liberals/aka modern day American conservatives/libertarians to find a consensus all could live with to give us the U.S. Constitution. Group think simply is not the way for most of us. It makes it harder, but we make fewer mistakes.

The left sees that as our weakness and they relentlessly try to exploit it while they are so immersed in group think that whatever one says, they all say. And they don't care whether what they say is right or wrong or whether they can make a reasoned argument to support it. It is enough to them that everybody says it and believe it. Any who stray from the assigned talking points must be punished, even destroyed. That is what indoctrination does to people. And it's scary.

But we who still think critically aren't dead yet. We have to keep putting the truth out there and believe there are still enough intellectually honest people left willing to actually get it right.
 
apdst said:
You just want President Trump removed from office. You don't care how it's done, or if it's even legal.
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We did this already.

Deuce said:
You want the president in power even if he murders a baby while forcing a woman at gunpoint to abort another baby and simultaneously handing nuclear launch codes to Russia. This is a fun game we are playing.
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apdst said:
They have the media on their side. That puts reality and truth at a direct disadvantage.
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Addendum to my last post:

You have no doubt noted how the "Trump haters" jump on you in unison if you say something different from what they preach. They do it to me too, and anybody else who is thinking critically re the President, his people, his agenda, or any of numerous issues that are in any way controversial.

Be assured, nobody but them believes them.
 
GDViking said:
Yip and with his contacts I doubt very much they are difficult to come by.
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Actually, it's perfectly legal in some instances, such as dual citizenship or having the necessity to travel between countries where exit from one will hinder entrance to another.

In addition as you point-out, we've seen multiple passports are not unusual among Trump associates as can be seen by Paul Manafort's multiple passports.
 
Fletch said:
Yes, but if Mueller actually has evidence that Cohen went to Prague, then Cohen would be a central focus of his Russia investigation. And if that were true, he would have no reason to farm the raid of Cohen of to local FBI rather than do it himself.
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Do you actually understand what has happened? Mueller is investigating Cohen no doubt, and he may or may not have information about him being in Praque. However the raid had nothing to do with Mueller or his investigation but in fact crimes that Mueller uncovered during his investigation. He then gave that evidence to his boss.. Rosenstien, who then gave it to the AG in New York. It was that AG who raided Cohen based on a legal warrant.

Also if Mueller has evidence of Cohen being in Europe at the time, then he aint going to present it to the world before he has too. We shall see..
 
slick said:
So this is how they connect the dots, what a bunch of nut jobs! Cohen lied about not being in Prague, therefore the
Russian collusion must be true--the content of the salacious dossier must be true--therefore the request for the FISA
warrant was legitimate and not a fraud on the court.

Even Comey’s pal Benjamin Wittes is on twitter saying the Cohen Prague story is too good to be true &
shouldn’t be believed. These Mueller criminals are overplaying their hand. This story was debunked a long time ago.

They are desperate to prove this is true because a large part of the Original FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was
based on Cohen having a meeting in Prague. Without it being true, the FISA warrant, Carter Page criminal case, and all
FISA extensions of the original warrant are moot. The whole dam thing blows up in their face.

They're not going to give up. They have too much invested in Russiagate now. I fear they will fabricate evidence.
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Here is the actual timeline of the Carter Page FISA warrants:

https://www.justsecurity.org/46786/timeline-carter-pages-contacts-russia/

At the heart of the recent Nunes memo controversy lies a FISA order application for former Trump campaign aide Carter Page. But Page had piqued the interest of FBI investigators long before the Trump campaign, owing to his contacts with the Russian government and energy sector. For example, his 2013 contacts with Russian intelligence operatives who promised him business connections led to the FBI obtaining a FISA order against him in 2014.
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I don't see anything about Prague in this narrative. Apparently you Trumpies are so anxious to prove the dossier is wrong that you make things up to suit that narrative.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Did he? I think he showed a passport period. That will be his evidence that he was not in Europe when they claimed he was. That is all he needs to prove.
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If it shows he was anywhere in Europe, then he could have flown on to Prague unrecorded, and his lie of being in California is exposed too.
 
Manc Skipper said:
If it shows he was anywhere in Europe, then he could have flown on to Prague unrecorded, and his lie of being in California is exposed too.
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His testimony of being in California is already confirmed by credible, objective witnesses. And sure. I remember when Henry Gonzales, congressman from Texas, went on Cspan night after night during special orders trying to convince the world that George H.W. Bush, just before the 1980 election, illegally appropriated a highly secret very super fast fighter jet, and flew to Europe or the Middle East. .can't remember which. . .to negotiate with the Iranians to hold our hostages until the day after the election.

Whenever I see people strain at gnats because they are so eager to believe somebody committed some kind of crime, I think about that. And it comes across as just as absurd and desperate.
 
JacksinPA said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-claim-hes-never-been-to-prague-after-mueller

" ...McClatchy reported Friday that Mueller has evidence that Cohen traveled to Prague in the summer of 2016, a claim first made in the so-called "Steele dossier" compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele. ..."
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"... But three days later, no other news outlet has confirmed the report, and there are reasons to be skeptical.

A spokesperson for the special counsel’s office wouldn’t comment on the Cohen-Prague story specifically, but told The Daily Caller News Foundation that “many stories” about the Russia investigation have been “inaccurate.” ..."

Michael Cohen Prague Story Faces Doubt | The Daily Caller
 
Vern said:
Interesting sidebar to this discussion. probably nothing but definitely interesting

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney, has withdrawn lawsuits against BuzzFeed and Fusion GPS over the publishing of a controversial dossier compiled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michael-c...usion-gps-143004024--abc-news-topstories.html
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Yea, those discoveries are a bitch. They lead to all kinds of things being discovered...
 
Skeptic Bob said:
One would think it would be easy to prove one way or the other, assuming he entered the country legally.
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Do you ever cross into Canada?

Often I am simply waved through without a question, others they have questions, but in neither case is there a record of having crossed the border. If it's to be an issue, travelers are advised to buy something as soon as you cross so there is a record.

If he were using a land crossing there would be no record, and if he flew a shuttle airline there might not be one there either.

Me, I will wait to see what Mueller himself says what he has
 
Vern said:
Interesting sidebar to this discussion. probably nothing but definitely interesting

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney, has withdrawn lawsuits against BuzzFeed and Fusion GPS over the publishing of a controversial dossier compiled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michael-c...usion-gps-143004024--abc-news-topstories.html
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I suspect the lawsuit was more of a publicity stunt and he dropped it because he didn't want to through the discovery process and have to testify under oath while he's under criminal investigation.
 
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-been-to-prague-he-told-me-a-different-story/

Michael Cohen Says He’s “Never” Been to Prague. He Told Me a Different Story.

Cohen: " I have never been to Prague. I was in LA with my son. Proven!”

David Corn of Mother Jones notes of phone conversation with Cohen: "This week I reviewed my notes from that phone call. Here’s the direct quote from Cohen: 'I haven’t been to Prague in 14 years. I was in Prague for one afternoon 14 years ago.'"

What is the truth? Bi g inconsistency in Cohen's statements.
 
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