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Man Who Died In Trump Tower Fire Tried To Sell Apartment, Friend Says

HowardBThiname said:
That sounds suspiciously like Arson Gone Wrong.
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I read that he had some serious debilitating health issues. Combined with his age, this could be a case of oxygen equipment being related to either the start of the fire or its rapid full involvement of the apartment.
 
backpacker said:
I read that he had some serious debilitating health issues. Combined with his age, this could be a case of oxygen equipment being related to either the start of the fire or its rapid full involvement of the apartment.
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The guy was 57, according to reports. That's far from old.

Maybe there was just a fire. You know, fires happen. That's why there is a fire dept. In any case, if there were sprinklers it wouldn't have killed him.

The main issue is that when you think that regulations are just trivialities that cost owners money and then become president, you don't appreciate the value of regulations that save lives and health.
 
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MTAtech said:
The guy was 57, according to reports. That's far from old.

Maybe there was just a fire. You know, fires happen. That's why there is a fire dept. In any case, if there were sprinklers it wouldn't have killed him.

The main issue is that when you think that regulations are just trivialities that cost owners money and then become president, you don't appreciate the value of regulations that save lives and health.
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He was 67 years old, not 57 years old, per news reports. Since the cause of the fire hasn't been determined yet, you have no basis to reach a conclusion that sprinklers would have saved him. If it were a grease or oil fire, sprinklers could have accelerated the blaze.
 
HenryChinaski said:
The only people that'd want to live in a Trump property are the handful of his zombie followers and the majority of them couldn't afford it on their trailer park incomes.
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I've had drinks with friends at the bar in Trump Tower a couple of times over the years. It's wasn't bad as hotel bars go. Haven't been there since he was elected and probably won't go back since I've decided not to give him any more of my money.
 
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Mr Person said:
I'm sure he'll put the insurance payment to good use. Maybe he can bribe the mortician to do an extra-fancy embalming?

:doh
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Got an update;

*Investigators are not expected to conclude their probe until Tuesday at the earliest, but two officials briefed on the probe tell ABC News that it was apparently caused by an electrical malfunction that occurred inside the apartment -- perhaps an appliance or device -- as opposed to inside the wall on an electrical line. ............. The fire was so extreme that it incinerated most of the usable evidence, and also, there was no working smoke alarm in the 50th-floor apartment.*

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7ny.c...tal;-councilman-pushes-sprinkler-law/3319538/

Reckon who's responsibility that non working smoke alarm is ??
 
Did Trump ever mention Mr. Brassner?
 
hanger4 said:
Got an update;

*Investigators are not expected to conclude their probe until Tuesday at the earliest, but two officials briefed on the probe tell ABC News that it was apparently caused by an electrical malfunction that occurred inside the apartment -- perhaps an appliance or device -- as opposed to inside the wall on an electrical line. ............. The fire was so extreme that it incinerated most of the usable evidence, and also, there was no working smoke alarm in the 50th-floor apartment.*

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7ny.c...tal;-councilman-pushes-sprinkler-law/3319538/

Reckon who's responsibility that non working smoke alarm is ??
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You said arson earlier. That's what I was responding to.




The idea that someone commits arson and then stays in the building on purpose, dying, is utterly ludicrous unless it's some kind of murder-suicide where they kill someone, light the place on fire, then shoot themselves....
 
Mr Person said:
You said arson earlier. That's what I was responding to.




The idea that someone commits arson and then stays in the building on purpose, dying, is utterly ludicrous unless it's some kind of murder-suicide where they kill someone, light the place on fire, then shoot themselves....
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I said arson seems likely. He couldn't sell his property and his morrgage was in arrears.

Assuming arson and staying in the apt. Could have happened for any number of reasons. Intoxicated, drugs, the accelerant fumes knocked him out, tripped fell and hit his head. Just to name a few.
 
hanger4 said:
I said arson seems likely. He couldn't sell his property and his morrgage was in arrears.

Assuming arson and staying in the apt. Could have happened for any number of reasons. Intoxicated, drugs, the accelerant fumes knocked him out, tripped fell and hit his head. Just to name a few.
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Oh, please. Financial straits is no reason to say it's "likely" when you have absolutely no other evidence.




I'm really amazed by some of what I'm seeing in this thread. One person starts a thread about how Trump once fought sprinkler regulations, supposedly relevant because this was a Trump building. It's as if Trump supporters saw that and decided that because something might conceivably be read as negative about Trump, they are duty-bound to try to change the conversation over to points of criticism to aim at the dead man.

So they engaged in the typical blame-the-victim routine, wherein everything about the victim is scoured and an attempt is made to say that something negative about the victim creates a reason to believe that said victim had it coming.




(Well, ok, more likely RW media did it and posters just plagariazed the idea).
 
Mr Person said:
Oh, please. Financial straits is no reason to say it's "likely" when you have absolutely no other evidence.




I'm really amazed by some of what I'm seeing in this thread. One person starts a thread about how Trump once fought sprinkler regulations, supposedly relevant because this was a Trump building. It's as if Trump supporters saw that and decided that because something might conceivably be read as negative about Trump, they are duty-bound to try to change the conversation over to points of criticism to aim at the dead man.

So they engaged in the typical blame-the-victim routine, wherein everything about the victim is scoured and an attempt is made to say that something negative about the victim creates a reason to believe that said victim had it coming.




(Well, ok, more likely RW media did it and posters just plagariazed the idea).
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So you're saying if Mr. Brassner had had functioning smoke alarms he would have died anyway ??
 
So...are we at the stage where we use the victim as a pawn to attack Trump yet?
 
MTAtech said:
The real story is that Trump personally fought "job killing" regulations that would have required fire suppression devices in apartments. Instead, a person died because of lack of regulations. It's an omen of things to come from an administration hostile to regulations.
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so did a lot of other developers. It wasn't just trump. Yet you will find that he did install them in the building that was across the street while it was still under construction.
so your meme just flew out the window.

They were arguing against retro fitting all their buildings. The cost on that would have been an undo burden on a lot of developers and it probably would have put them all
out of business.
 
hanger4 said:
So you're saying if Mr. Brassner had had functioning smoke alarms he would have died anyway ??
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last time i check smoke detectors have been a requirement for a long long time.
 
Cardinal said:
So it's okay that a person died due to his refusal to install sprinklers? How many millions of dollars did he save? Was it worth a person's life?
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it isn't his fault. If there were working smoke detectors it would have sensed the fire before it got out of control.
again trump wasn't the only one all the developers did it. your TDS is getting in the way again.
most of those old buildings don't have fire sprinklers in them.
 
JMR said:
A simple search will show you that Trump took the lead on this issue along with other developers. From Washington Post:

Trump played political games throughout his career. Don't trip on facts.
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yes you are tripping all over facts. you see you just blew your meme out of the water. ALONG WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS.
IE he wasn't the only one.
 
Barnacle said:
You'd be surprised what idiots like him will do ... overmedicating and smoking a cigarette/getting drunk and leaving the candles on/passing out after bong usage/cutting off the nose to spite the face/ ...
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How do you know he's an idiot? Do you know him? Do you know anything about this for sure?
 
ludin said:
last time i check smoke detectors have been a requirement for a long long time.
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Yes they are, at least in rentals, but keep in mind this particular property wasn't a rental. I don't know NYC's regs concerning home ownership.
 
hanger4 said:
Yes they are, at least in rentals, but keep in mind this particular property wasn't a rental. I don't know NYC's regs concerning home ownership.
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even in home ownership i know they have been required forever. but they have to be maintained IE new batteries put in them etc ...
 
ludin said:
it isn't his fault. If there were working smoke detectors it would have sensed the fire before it got out of control.
again trump wasn't the only one all the developers did it. your TDS is getting in the way again.
most of those old buildings don't have fire sprinklers in them.
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It isn’t his fault? Are you saying he was unable to have the sprinklers installed?
 
Cardinal said:
It isn’t his fault? Are you saying he was unable to have the sprinklers installed?
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No, what's being stated is if the owner had kept his smoke alarm/s functional he'd probably be alive today.


Property owners like Brassner are responsible for making sure they have working smoke alarms, according to New York City law.
 
hanger4 said:
No, what's being stated is if the owner had kept his smoke alarm/s functional he'd probably be alive today.


Property owners like Brassner are responsible for making sure they have working smoke alarms, according to New York City law.
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And he would have been alive if trump had installed sprinklers. Was trump unable to do that?
 
Cardinal said:
And he would have been alive if trump had installed sprinklers. Was trump unable to do that?
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Not necessarily. Mr. Brassner would have more than likely passed due to smoke inhalation before the fire suppression system kicked in. Therefore, even with a sprinkler system installed Mr. Brassner's lack of a functioning smoke alarm/s is the fault.
 
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