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Michelle Obama says Barack was like the 'good parent,' calls Trump the 'other parent'

HowardBThiname said:
That is true -- we'll never make it back to sanity, I fear.

But, the rhetoric and hatred has escalated so much since Trump was elected.
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That's what happens when you use the Oval Office to start petty Twitter fights. I have respect for the office, and I'm not one to jump into the partisan discourse that usually goes on when discussing the current POTUS, but I have no respect for Trump. He treats the oval office like it's his little playground.
 
One of Obama's most outrageous detractors was Trump.

And now people are upset that Trump is getting back some of what he gave to Obama.




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Bucky said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...bama-and-donald-trump-presidencies/495527002/

This is a type of comment that reflects how the left views the presidency: A parent while viewing the voters as children. Obama very much acted like a presidential parent, an imperial President. Barack's was basically a helicopter parent.
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It's an easy assessment when the current president acts like a petulant, impulsive six-year old. (My apologizes to petulant, impulsive six-year olds.)
 
Amelia said:
One of Obama's most outrageous detractors was Trump.

And now people are upset that Trump is getting back some of what he gave to Obama.




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The problem with that view is that public policy shouldn't be used as a tool to settle personal grudges. Trump attacks Obamacare, Dodd/Frank and environmental policy in order to undo Obama's legacy, not because Americans are better off without those laws. Undoing Obamacare results in millions of Americans losing covering and paying higher premiums, while the government pays more money to cover fewer people. Weakening Dodd/Frank means Americans will be victimized by Wall Street crooks. Weaker environmental laws means Americans will be getting illnesses and some will die at a higher rate.

When a president uses his power to settle scores, without regard to the harm it does to ordinary people, Michelle Obama has Trump pegged.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
The parenting comment is interesting. To be honest, I've always like Michelle, although her husband was not my favorite President that ever held the office.

Barrack got pushed around and he sometimes wavered like a willow in the wind, plus his spread-the-wealth ideas left a lot to desire, but he was the President and I still respect the office of the presidency, so I'm not going to trash him.

What concerns me today is how virulent the Left has become in its attacks on our current President. There's virtually no respect left for the office, and what I don't think they understand, is that the lack of respect won't return once a democratic President wins. What they do now, they do to themselves in the future. Pandora's Box is open.
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I'm afraid your last line is prophetic but I hope it is not. Sooner or later a Democrat will again occupy the oval office and there are always numbnuts and idiots who will trash him just because he is a Democrat. And they will feel entitled to do so because of the way Trump and Bush 43 et al were treated. And so it goes on.

Like you, I respected the office and I did not/do not trash the person who occupies it even though I could not accept much of his point of view or policy positions and I thought some of his cabinet picks and other appointments to be atrocious. I will criticize, sometimes strongly, a policy, but the President is President of all and we trash our country when we trash the President.

I can't imagine Nancy Reagan or Barbara Bush or Laura Bush being personally critical about the current occupant of the White House. They just didn't do that did they, which to me demonstrates a certain type of classiness to admire.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I'm afraid your last line is prophetic but I hope it is not. Sooner or later a Democrat will again occupy the oval office and there are always numbnuts and idiots who will trash him just because he is a Democrat. And they will feel entitled to do so because of the way Trump and Bush 43 et al were treated. And so it goes on.

Like you, I respected the office and I did not/do not trash the person who occupies it even though I could not accept much of his point of view or policy positions and I thought some of his cabinet picks and other appointments to be atrocious. I will criticize, sometimes strongly, a policy, but the President is President of all and we trash our country when we trash the President.

I can't imagine Nancy Reagan or Barbara Bush or Laura Bush being personally critical about the current occupant of the White House. They just didn't do that did they, which to me demonstrates a certain type of classiness to admire.
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I realize that I am trashing my country when I trash Trump.

But a country which would elect Trump? With that we pushed ourself into a dumpster. And now Trump is accelerating our descent into "****hole" territory.

Trashing ourselves for doing such a thing ... well, that's just calling it like it is.
 
Amelia said:
I realize that I am trashing my country when I trash Trump.

But a country which would elect Trump? With that we pushed ourself into a dumpster. And now Trump is accelerating our descent into "****hole" territory.

Trashing ourselves for doing such a thing ... well, that's just calling it like it is.
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Trashing the President is also trashing the 63 million people who voted for him just like trashing Hillary is trashing the more than 65 million who voted for her. And it isn't calling it like it is unless it is applied with intellectual honesty. Criticizing policy positions and specific actions is fair game. But IMO trashing the president personally comes from childishness, ignorance, pettiness, and yes hatefulness no matter which side it comes from.

Have I ever been guilty of ad hominem criticism of a President. Yes. I am not proud of it, but I have done it at times too. But only in a brief adjective in a moment of anger. Not like the unbridled hatred some heaped on President Obama and certainly not the unbridled hatred heaped on President Trump.

The media, haters on social media, on message boards, etc. give extremely brief lip service to the accomplishments of the present administration if they cover them at all, which they often don't, but they are excessively mean, petty, sometimes cruel, often dishonest in their personal attacks on the President. It does not enoble us as a people when that happens.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Trashing the President is also trashing the 63 million people who voted for him just like trashing Hillary is trashing the more than 65 million who voted for her. And it isn't calling it like it is unless it is applied with intellectual honesty. Criticizing policy positions and specific actions is fair game. But IMO trashing the president personally comes from childishness, ignorance, pettiness, and yes hatefulness no matter which side it comes from.

Have I ever been guilty of ad hominem criticism of a President. Yes. I am not proud of it, but I have done it at times too. But only in a brief adjective in a moment of anger. Not like the unbridled hatred some heaped on President Obama and certainly not the unbridled hatred heaped on President Trump.

The media, haters on social media, on message boards, etc. give extremely brief lip service to the accomplishments of the present administration if they cover them at all, which they often don't, but they are excessively mean, petty, sometimes cruel, often dishonest in their personal attacks on the President. It does not enoble us as a people when that happens.
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I'm trashing the whole damn country.

Everybody in the country who contributed to the election of Trump -- including all the Democrats who failed to make a strong enough case that they were better than Trump.

Everybody who contributed to the fetid situation we are now in.

A country which would elect Trump is a ****hole country. There are worse ****holes out there. But we are one too.
 
Amelia said:
I'm trashing the whole damn country.

Everybody in the country who contributed to the election of Trump -- including all the Democrats who failed to make a strong enough case that they were better than Trump.

Everybody who contributed to the fetid situation we are now in.

A country which would elect Trump is a ****hole country. There are worse ****holes out there. But we are one too.
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Well have a pleasant day anyway.
 
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