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Graham. and Grassley To DOJ........

MovingPictures said:
Page, Strzon, and McCabe are nothingburgers.

Just so you know, IG reports are usually pretty toothless. If there was a criminal case against any of those people, Sessions would have already appointed someone as special counsel a long time ago; it's been investigated for a longtime.
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I think Sessions is waiting for Horowitz report before appointing another special counsel. It would give him more to build a case for a special counsel. I am not sure I would classify McCabe (Deputy Director of the FBI), Strzok (Chief of the Counterespionage Section), Bruce Ohr (director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force who's wife worked for Fusion GPS), Mike Kortan (FBI assistant director for public affairs), David Laufman (chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section), James Rybicki (Comey’s chief of staff), James Baker (FBI General Counsel) and Lisa Page (FBI attorney that worked directly for the Deputy Director of the FBI) nothingburgers. They were all some of the top folks in the FBI, except Ohr, who worked for the DOJ. He was pretty high up in the DOJ. Not like it was a bunch of field agents that got caught drinking on duty.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I think Sessions is waiting for Horowitz report before appointing another special counsel. It would give him more to build a case for a special counsel. I am not sure I would classify McCabe (Deputy Director of the FBI), Strzok (Chief of the Counterespionage Section), Bruce Ohr (director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force who's wife worked for Fusion GPS), Mike Kortan (FBI assistant director for public affairs), David Laufman (chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section), James Rybicki (Comey’s chief of staff), James Baker (FBI General Counsel) and Lisa Page (FBI attorney that worked directly for the Deputy Director of the FBI) nothingburgers. They were all some of the top folks in the FBI. Not like it was a bunch of field agents that got caught drinking on duty.
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You are really, really stretching this fantasy into something it's just not.

Sessions doesn't have to wait for a report, the IG gives him reports directly to him during any inquiry. If the IG happens to come across a possible crime it was, the AG immediately would open a criminal investigation into the matter, whether the IG is finished or not.

Just so you know, it's not a crime to have a political bias as an investigator, nor is it to have some vague connection (through ones spouse) to political research company that both parties have used extensively. Otherwise Grassely's wife would be under investigation for working for Flynn and trying to find Clinton's emails on the dark web.
 
I'm not sure exactly what to make of this, because I obviously am not privy to the info held by Graham & Grassley.

But shouldn't they be firstly protecting the current Special Prosecutor, before calling for another? There's a bill to protect Mueller sitting there in front of them, not acted upon.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Doubtful.

Remember way back when Trump complained that the FBI was wiretapping his building and conversations?

Remember the denials from the FBI and the belly laugh opponents had at another Trump "false claim?"

Then it turns out the FBI was tapping, but not Trump...Carter Page who was an advisor and talked to...everybody.

It was that wiretap, authorized by a FISA warrant from a biased judge that appears to have been based mainly on the Steele dossier, which allowed them to tape Flynn, Papodapoulus, and who knows who else in the Trump campaign. That allowed the AG under Obama to "unmask" people and get the ball rolling on this whole collusion thing.

The FBI could say with a straight face, "we weren't wiretapping Trump." (Hssst...nope we were wiretapping someone on his staff and got Trump and Co. on tape THAT way.)
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I see you are using highly emotional rhetoric you can't prove without resorting to republican spin. Please prove that the judge was 'highly biased'.
 
RAMOSS said:
I see you are using highly emotional rhetoric you can't prove without resorting to republican spin. Please prove that the judge was 'highly biased'.
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Valid complaint.

Correction: insert "allegedly" between "a"(changing that "a" to "an") and "highly biased judge" since there are allegations that the Judge who was either instructed to recuse himself or recused himself from the Flynn case was also involved in authorizing that particular FISA warrant process.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Valid complaint.

Correction: insert "allegedly" between "a"(changing that "a" to "an") and "highly biased judge" since there are allegations that the Judge who was either instructed to recuse himself or recused himself from the Flynn case was also involved in authorizing that particular FISA warrant process.
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And, I will also point out that the people making the claim have political motivations about it.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, I will also point out that the people making the claim have political motivations about it.
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As are the people alleging that the Steele dossier was "confirmed," and the judge was aware it was a politically sponsored document, and that it had little to do with the issuance, and that other more damning evidence was presented, etc., etc.
 
Captain Adverse said:
As are the people alleging that the Steele dossier was "confirmed," and the judge was aware it was a politically sponsored document, and that it had little to do with the issuance, and that other more damning evidence was presented, etc., etc.
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That is what is known as a 'straw man'. It didn't say that the 'steele document' was confirmed, but that a portion of it was verified. And, yes,,.. the judge should have been aware, since it was mentioned in the fisa document the origins and potential bias. Nunes 'didn't read the foot notes'.. His claim, followed by the back pedaling puts Nunes in a bad light.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-3907
 
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RAMOSS said:
And, I will also point out that the people making the claim have political motivations about it.
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Captain Adverse said:
As are the people alleging that the Steele dossier was "confirmed," and the judge was aware it was a politically sponsored document, and that it had little to do with the issuance, and that other more damning evidence was presented, etc., etc.
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If I may, Cap't A, he means you, RAMOSS, for example.
 
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Redress said:
Well, The Federalist continues its habit of stupid articles. What matters is not Steele(and nothing yet indicated him doing anything wrong beyond innuendo), but whether the investigation is justified. If Steele had not done a dossier, there would still be enough to justify investigating.
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Enough to investigate the Democrats!
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cabse5 said:
If I may, Cap't A, he means you, RAMOSS, for example.
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And, again that is a straw man. One part is correct. but that is because you have taken misinformation from the Nunes memo that has been retracted (as pointed out by my link), and are still accepting the original misinformation. This is known as the 'blow back' effect.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, again that is a straw man. One part is correct. but that is because you have taken misinformation from the Nunes memo that has been retracted (as pointed out by my link), and are still accepting the original misinformation. This is known as the 'blow back' effect.
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How do you know the Nunes memo is misinformation?

Is the Schiff memo misinformation, too?
 
cabse5 said:
How do you know the Nunes memo is misinformation?

Is the Schiff memo misinformation, too?
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Because, the republican admitted it.. see the link I provided.
 
MovingPictures said:
You are really, really stretching this fantasy into something it's just not.

Sessions doesn't have to wait for a report, the IG gives him reports directly to him during any inquiry. If the IG happens to come across a possible crime it was, the AG immediately would open a criminal investigation into the matter, whether the IG is finished or not.

Just so you know, it's not a crime to have a political bias as an investigator, nor is it to have some vague connection (through ones spouse) to political research company that both parties have used extensively. Otherwise Grassely's wife would be under investigation for working for Flynn and trying to find Clinton's emails on the dark web.
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You keep saying, "Just so you know". Sounds stupid to repeat something over and over again. Maybe it's a Freudian thing.

Where did I ever say it's a crime to have a bias? Do you think all those people were forced out of their positions for bias? That's sounds like denial to me.
 
RAMOSS said:
That is what is known as a 'straw man'. It didn't say that the 'steele document' was confirmed, but that a portion of it was verified. And, yes,,.. the judge should have been aware, since it was mentioned in the fisa document the origins and potential bias. Nunes 'didn't read the foot notes'.. His claim, followed by the back pedaling puts Nunes in a bad light.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-3907
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You provided a link to a site at Politico that says :

We're sorry, but that page cannot be found
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-3907

This one worked though:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

In any case, I was aware of the footnote you refer to:

The bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier. The application appears to contain no additional information corroborating the dossier allegations against Mr. Page, although it does cite to a news article that appears to be sourced to Mr. Steele’s dossier.

The FBI noted to a vaguely limited extent the political origins of the dossier. In footnote 8 [of the first warrant application, apparently repeated in the subsequent applications] the FBI stated that the dossier information was compiled pursuant to the direction of a law firm who had hired an “identified U.S. person” — now known as Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/grassley-graham-memo-affirms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier/

Soooo, until we can see the actual footnote (although I could swear I read some article with a copy of it I can't find now) we are left to wonder just how "open and above board" this source declaration was.
 
Captain Adverse said:
You provided a link to a site at Politico that says :

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-3907

This one worked though:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

In any case, I was aware of the footnote you refer to:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/grassley-graham-memo-affirms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier/

Soooo, until we can see the actual footnote (although I could swear I read some article with a copy of it I can't find now) we are left to wonder just how "open and above board" this source declaration was.
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Ah. so the republicans added the words 'vaguely' for political spin. That's nonsense.
 
RAMOSS said:
Because, the republican admitted it.. see the link I provided.
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The Politico link has disappeared. For example, which part of the Steele dossier was confirmed?
Providing an existing link would be helpful.
 
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