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Andrew McCabe was just offered a job by a congressman so he can get his full retirement. And it just

CriticalThought said:
Cause you always think he's innocent. :roll:

Trump works awfully danm hard to undermine an investigation that will apparently not find him guilty of anything.
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If Trump is guilty I'll accept it. I won't accept a witch hunt. I won't accept hanging judges. I'm looking for truth and justice.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What due process was required to fire McCabe?

Crickets...
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I stand corrected- I was reading sites for information that do not apply to SE n DOJ- Senior Executives. Found other legal opinions, that state his chances of successfully filing a lawsuit are slim to none.
That said, one should have the right to appeal decisions as this case clearly demonstrates the clear appearance of political meddling.
 
SirGareth said:
What kind of place offers the fired employee an opportunity to tell his side of the story? He lied to his employer (that's us). Case close. This is how the real world works. Are FBI guys unionized against us?
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You changed font color.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The OIG recommendation was for dismissal. He is an executive branch employee that broached the terms of his employment according to the OIG. Can you please provide the basis that makes you think a hearing is required?
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So now you are against due process where a person can offer a defense of accusations against them? WOW!!!!! :doh:roll::shock:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is not who was under investigation that made it wrong to comment publicly about an ongoing FBI investigation.
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Well true, but I don't remember any conservative outcry about the impropriety at the time. It only became a concern after Hillary was cleared. Then suddenly the whole investigation was phony and corrupt according to some of the same people who had cheered it on.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
I doubt he had a defense. That is exactly what happens when you break the law. You have no defense.
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You did not answer my question. Again, what defense did McCabe and his legal representation offer at his hearing before dismissal?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What makes you think that a hearing is required to fire someone?
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You are against a person accused being allowed to properly defend themselves when a huge penalty hangs over them?
 
haymarket said:
So now you are against due process where a person can offer a defense of accusations against them? WOW!!!!! :doh:roll::shock:
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Due process is only required for Republican pedophiles and wife beaters.
 
GDViking said:
Yes I am not a liberal, although in todays current political environment I I do lean left, well more accurately I'm still the same, however a large portion of the right has gone bat **** nuts.

And my take is McCAbe has been a loyal American soldier, he recognized a traitor and threat and responded accordingly.

If he assists in any way to get the traitor trump behind bars history will consider him a hero.

By the way if the GOP had nominated one of the moderate qualified candidates, I would have voted Republican. However they nominated a con artist and traitor, and I am an a American so I will not support a traitor.
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Thank you. That is a far more honest answer than I would expect from someone on the left. In essence what you are saying is that the ends justify the means when it comes to getting Trump. If McCabe had to lie cheat and steal in order to aid the resistance, then you will overlook the lies the cheating and the stealing done in pursuit of what you see as the greater good--getting Trump. That is a remarkably abhorrent position but at least you are honest about it.
 
bearpoker said:
Due process is only required for Republican pedophiles and wife beaters.
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and add those who flirt with treason with out main international adversary.
 
Superfly said:
Except when they were investigating Hillary.

Your transparency is showing.
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Wrong again. Comey was forced to create an interpretation of the law which didn't exist to absolve Hillary. After Lynch had that interesting convo with Bill. There was never any doubt that Hillary would walk.
 
bearpoker said:
Well true, but I don't remember any conservative outcry about the impropriety at the time. It only became a concern after Hillary was cleared. Then suddenly the whole investigation was phony and corrupt according to some of the same people who had cheered it on.
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It is not the job of the FBI to "clear" or pardon folks. Their job is to investigate alleged criminal activity and to forward the results of that investigation to the AG. The inconvenient truth was that the AG just had a private meeting with Hillary's husband making it very suspect if the AG were to decide that possible prosecution was best not left up to a grand jury to decide. It was obvious to all that the FBI is never expected to make the the decision whether to prosecute any case - that is the job of the AG with approval of a grand jury.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is not the job of the FBI to "clear" or pardon folks. Their job is to investigate alleged criminal activity and to forward the results of that investigation to the AG. The inconvenient truth was that the AG just had a private meeting with Hillary's husband making it very suspect if the AG were to decide that possible prosecution was best not left up to a grand jury to decide. It was obvious to all that the FBI is never expected to make the the decision whether to prosecute any case - that is the job of the AG with approval of a grand jury.
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I did overstate Comey's conclusion. He didn't "clear" Hillary. He simply declined to prosecute. He simply didn't think he had a case that was clear enough to secure a conviction. It is interesting that while the investigation of Hillary was shouted from the rooftops, no one ever mentioned that Trump was under investigation as well.
 
haymarket said:
You are against a person accused being allowed to properly defend themselves when a huge penalty hangs over them?
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Nope, I am saying that the FBI decided to recommend firing one of their employees and followed proper procedure to do so.

I have no idea, nor do you, whether the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility (their version of internal affairs) allowed McCabe to plead his case before them or not. The required FBI procedures were followed and even McCabe is not claiming otherwise. McCabe is making a political argument that his actions were not political - rather ironic, but it is what it is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, I am saying that the FBI decided to recommend firing one of their employees and followed proper procedure to do so.

I have no idea, nor do you, whether the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility (their version of internal affairs) allowed McCabe to plead his case before them or not. The required FBI procedures were followed and even McCabe is not claiming otherwise. McCabe is making a political argument that his actions were not political - rather ironic, but it is what it is.
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The irony is that he is in trouble for allowing agents to speak about Hillary being under investigation, which benefited Trump. As I recall, he didn't have a problem with that at the time. It's only now, when McCabe is a potential witness in the Mueller investigation, that it's become an issue.
 
NIMBY said:
trumpcons will love our spies, make them great again, when the next Democratic president is elected ...
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Or during the election. What you think Republicans won't do it? Ha!
 
This is why teachers on both sides of the aisle should have tenure.....imagine either a Republican or a Dem....getting into a small community where he or she decides to purge teachers that are different politically. This firing was clearly aimed at the pension of the fired employee. Basically it was a vendetta and I for one would contribute to a GOFund me page for this person to make his pension whole again. I am glad someone will be able to get him his deserved pension.
 
bearpoker said:
The irony is that he is in trouble for allowing agents to speak about Hillary being under investigation, which benefited Trump. As I recall, he didn't have a problem with that at the time. It's only now, when McCabe is a potential witness in the Mueller investigation, that it's become an issue.
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It was the FBI, not Trump, that recommended firing McCabe. The fact that you agree with McCabe and not the FBI makes no difference in this matter. The fact that two things are happening within the FBI at the same time does not mean that either is improper.
 
cabse5 said:
McCabe's firing was totally dependent on the finishing of the IG of the justice department's findings report. If the report with concurrent recommendations of McCabe's firing had been completed five months ago, McCabe would've been fired five months ago.

I don't think the timing of McCabe's firing has anything to do with the closeness to his retirement. Although, I believe, the White House was flabbergasted (but not inhibited (let's face it, it's Trump)) at the timing of the report's completion which was so close to McCabe's retirement.
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What the hell are you talking about, the report has not been released and will not be for month.

This was OBVIOUSLY trump inflicting payback.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It was the FBI, not Trump, that recommended firing McCabe. The fact that you agree with McCabe and not the FBI makes no difference in this matter. The fact that two things are happening within the FBI at the same time does not mean that either is improper.
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Trump has been campaigning for investigations of the FBI and it's senior personnel for months now.
 
GDViking said:
Yes I am not a liberal, although in todays current political environment I I do lean left, well more accurately I'm still the same, however a large portion of the right has gone bat **** nuts.

And my take is McCAbe has been a loyal American soldier, he recognized a traitor and threat and responded accordingly.

If he assists in any way to get the traitor trump behind bars history will consider him a hero.

By the way if the GOP had nominated one of the moderate qualified candidates, I would have voted Republican. However they nominated a con artist and traitor, and I am an a American so I will not support a traitor.
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So the American people are a traitor to the cause of the Deep state and McCabe is a hero for exposing us?
 
Fletch said:
Its not shocking that a liberal would hire a corrupt left wing apparatchik to help fleece the public out of $1.8 million. McCabe was a loyal soldier in the anti-Trump resistance and his misconduct is not only ignored by the left, it is rewarded. Bravo
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It's not surprising that someone would lie so crassly about McCabe. He's a conservative republican.

Still, it's gratifying to see such people so angry.
 
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