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Arkansas students punished with paddles for walking out: reports

R-kansas = another backwards red state; what does anyone expect? .............
 
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.

If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.

IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
 
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.

If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.

IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.

I got the paddle a few times in Jr. High. I deserved it every time. It was worth it every time.
 
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.

If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.

IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
Exactly, thread title does not say that, though if he read his link, he knew that. Most people call that "dishonesty" or lying by omission.
 
Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.

Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules? Corporal punishment isnt illegal... it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?

At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?

Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.
 
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.

Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules? Corporal punishment isnt illegal... it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?

At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?

Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.

I wasn't making an argument, just an observation.
 
Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules?
Objecting to a single form of punishment is obviously not saying misbehaviour shouldn’t be addressed at all.

Corporal punishment isnt illegal...
It is against adults and in most cases, against children too. Allowing corporal punishment of children by their own parents and certainly by teachers relies on exceptions to the laws and normally accepted behaviour. Exceptions should require specific justifications.

it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?

At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?
Well as you say, it makes little sense in high school, where the children are perfectly capable of understanding the rules. All you have to do is read the words of one of the children in the OP article to see that he is no less capable of understanding that the average adult (maybe even to the point of choosing this form of punishment to create a contrast between a violent punishment for a protest against violence).

Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.
Yet all the actual evidence suggests is doesn’t actually have any measureable benefit and does come with various potential risks. There is a simple conclusion though; if corporal punishment is so effective, why not extend its application to adults like yourself?
 
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.

If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.

IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.

As was I,
Corporal punishment in schools is permitted in 22 states, including Arkansas.
thought that was a thing of the past. Of note, it implies parent consent, and the students knew/chose beforehand what punishment they would receive, not for walking out, but for breaking the rules.
I would also guess that the paddling was more symbolic than an actual swat on the rear.
 
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.

If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.

IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.

Adrian Peterson in Texas where it is 100 percent legal. His child had actually attacked his own sister and tried to claw her eyes out. That was basically the beginning of the end of his career for far more justified reasons than trying to suppress free speech.

You if this story turns out to be true I hope you there are serious reprocutions.

It is completely wrong to try to suppress one constitutional right in favor of another.

I happen to disagree with agenda of the gun control this movement is pushing, but I support their right to speak.

There is a reason the founding fathers made these amendments the first two.
One was intended to protect the other and vice a versa...
 
Okay then...

Holy crap, why would you say something so silly that you are subsequently unable, or unwilling, to defend ...on a debate website?:doh

Same reason as other people I guess. Why was it silly? Is that your opinion?
 
Adrian Peterson in Texas where it is 100 percent legal. His child had actually attacked his own sister and tried to claw her eyes out. That was basically the beginning of the end of his career for far more justified reasons than trying to suppress free speech.

You if this story turns out to be true I hope you there are serious reprocutions.

It is completely wrong to try to suppress one constitutional right in favor of another.

I happen to disagree with agenda of the gun control this movement is pushing, but I support their right to speak.

There is a reason the founding fathers made these amendments the first two.
One was intended to protect the other and vice a versa...

Not so sure the congress that passed the amendment thought the second was to protect the first...
 
Objecting to a single form of punishment is obviously not saying misbehaviour shouldn’t be addressed at all.

It is against adults and in most cases, against children too. Allowing corporal punishment of children by their own parents and certainly by teachers relies on exceptions to the laws and normally accepted behaviour. Exceptions should require specific justifications.

Well as you say, it makes little sense in high school, where the children are perfectly capable of understanding the rules. All you have to do is read the words of one of the children in the OP article to see that he is no less capable of understanding that the average adult (maybe even to the point of choosing this form of punishment to create a contrast between a violent punishment for a protest against violence).

Yet all the actual evidence suggests is doesn’t actually have any measureable benefit and does come with various potential risks. There is a simple conclusion though; if corporal punishment is so effective, why not extend its application to adults like yourself?

Straw man argument. Nobody said anything of the sort.

While it may be against the law for adults, with regards to children, your opinion is just that, nothing more. The punishments for certain school infraction levels are generally specified ( "The superintendent said the students were punished for breaking rules in the school handbook" ) and are a tool in disciplining children...children being, you know, not yet adults. If you read the article, your recommendations were followed...they were given an option and ALL chose the "violent" option, paddling, rather than suspension.

You must be joking? You dont see the huge contradiction?

“I believe that corporal punishment has no place in schools, even if it wasn’t painful to me. The idea that violence should be used against someone who was protesting violence as a means to discipline them is appalling,” Greer said. “I hope that this is changed, in Greenbrier, and across the country.”

This is the kid himself choosing the violent, non painful, in his own words, form OVER the other non painful punishment. Brilliant. :lamo :doh

Adulthood comes with far more harsh and potentially far more painful consequences... the smart among us get, understand, the progression of this as we mature...what did you miss? Werent spanked enough...or perhaps were abused? Nobody is calling for any abuse, so lets spike that argument, shall we? Yes, i will make the adult decision for us.
 
I got the paddle a few times in Jr. High. I deserved it every time. It was worth it every time.

Me too but, on one occasion I was wearing nothing but a jockstrap. That one stung.
 
Same reason as other people I guess. Why was it silly? Is that your opinion?
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.

For one, you cannot defend it. Secondly, corporal punishment worked on myself... and on my younger brother. Success breeds appreciation of the methods utilized.
 
Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.

Ya, no doubt!!!!! I know this is supposed to be some kind of thing about gun control and tolerance, or whatever, but I'm like, WTF, you guys still let other people hit your kids????????? If ANYONE put hands (or PADDLES) on my kid, the next thing they'd be talking about banning from schools are parents... There would be Ban Parents parades in the streets!

Holy ****!!!
 
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.

Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules? Corporal punishment isnt illegal... it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?

At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?

Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.

Again, you wanna hit my kid, you better count on good luck hitting me because I'm coming for you...I don't care how fancy your justification is. **** that nonsense, it's 2018.
 
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.

For one, you cannot defend it. Secondly, corporal punishment worked on myself... and on my younger brother. Success breeds appreciation of the methods utilized.

I too was given corporal punishment, but I don't think a valid "cause & effect" relationship can be established as to that punishment being the reason any adult turns out the way he did.

I think teaching kids that assault and battery is a valid means of social control simply perpetuates the practice.

Can we say that corporal punishment turns a person into a conspiracy theorist? It happened to me. :lol: Or maybe the Russians did it!
 
While it may be against the law for adults, with regards to children, your opinion is just that, nothing more.
There’s no opinion in stating that paddling a child would be a criminal offence for anyone unless it was their own parents/guardians or authorised school officials and even then only under specified conditions. Those exceptions to the law have been justified by legislators but there is no reason why those justifications can’t be revisited or challenged.

You must be joking? You dont see the huge contradiction?
I wasn’t saying the boys arguments were perfectly formed, only that his statement demonstrated no less understanding and awareness than you’d expect of the average adult and clearly well above the level of being unable to understand rational arguments that is used to justify corporal punishment against much younger children.

Adulthood comes with far more harsh and potentially far more painful consequences...
Not for the kind of petty misbehaviour we’re talking about here. And if you’re aware of more “painful consequences” (thus more effective by this logic) you accept being applied to adults, why not apply the same to (older) children? If you can’t control the behaviour of 17 year old high school students without corporal punishment, how can you control the behaviour of 19 year old university students, 30 year old employees or 70 year old care-home residents? If it works, why limit it to minors?
 
Arkansas students punished with paddles for walking out: reports | TheHill

Three students at an Arkansas high school were reportedly punished with paddles this week after leaving school to participate in the national walkout to protest gun violence.

Tolerance.

Wow many thoughts on this.


1.) This school still does paddling with parent approval? AWESOME!!! great school.
2.) The walk out, protest or honoring of the tragedy was not sponsored by this school so these student were guilty of cutting class.

because of break school policy they received normal punish for side violation and were offer two choices "either suffer two ‘swats’ from a paddle or two days of in-school suspension.”

3.) whether anybody agrees with them or not, kind or amazing this kids choose to stand up for something they support and also choose the paddling.
side note on this (the paddling policy must be weak at this school, because m not so sure i would a chose it back in my day lol)


IMO theres no story here as far as the punishment goes, but a small story on them choosing the punishment anyway based on thier thoughts of standing up for something.
 
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.

For one, you cannot defend it. Secondly, corporal punishment worked on myself... and on my younger brother. Success breeds appreciation of the methods utilized.

Good for you then. I'm with OlNate on this. No one touches my child.
 
Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.

Oh lots of stuff is still allowed in schools. Physical discipline in schools happens hundreds of thousands of times a year--that we are aware of. With teacher attitudes on paddling in some of these schools, it's like something out of "Dazed and Confused."

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