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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    The 2016 election doesn't bode well for traditional Republicans (especially in a national election). Trump, for instance, isn't a natural Republican. He's more a traditional democrat but the Democratic Party is heavily invested in progressive ideology and shuns Trump.

    In the 18th district in Pennsylvania, the choice was between a Republican who espoused Trump's policies and a moderate Democrat who also espoused Trump's polices. Trump's coattails won the election just for the wrong guy. Trump, the winning dem and the losing GOP all espoused most beliefs of the Pennsylvania district.

    However, I believe, if the Republican in the 18th in Pennsylvania had run as a more traditional Republican, the contest would've been won more convincingly by the dem. Just as I believe if the dem had run as a modern dem, a progressive, the Republican espousing Trump's beliefs would've won by, I guess, 20 points.

    Trump's influence beats progressives in places like Pennsylvania 18th. Trump's influence doesn't beat traditional dems in places like Pennsylvania 18th because Trump is a traditional dem. And, well, we've seen enough traditional GOPs, at least, stomach Trump to have made him a successful candidate.

    Side bar: I don't believe the dem who won the 18th in Pennsylvania will break ranks with Pelosi and the rest of the dems in the house any more than, for example, Senator Joe Manchin, a moderate democrat from West Virginia didn't break ranks from Schumer and the rest of democratic senators. That is to say, won't break ranks at all.
    Thing is, Lamb was for better background checks, and that was about it for guns. Was for fixing the ACA, and other things that are Dem policy. Against abortion, but believes the choice is the woman's to make.
    Yes he will break with Pelosi, in the sense will not vote for her as majority / minority leader.

    Steel/aluminum tariffs were a quick thing to gain union votes in the district. No more and no less than that.


    I fail to see ho he was backing a majority of Trumps polices.
    What you saw was a repudiation of Trump & Policies.
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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Thing is, Lamb was for better background checks, and that was about it for guns. Was for fixing the ACA, and other things that are Dem policy. Against abortion, but believes the choice is the woman's to make.
    Yes he will break with Pelosi, in the sense will not vote for her as majority / minority leader.

    Steel/aluminum tariffs were a quick thing to gain union votes in the district. No more and no less than that.


    I fail to see ho he was backing a majority of Trumps polices.
    What you saw was a repudiation of Trump & Policies.
    More so a repudiation of, for example, Pelosi's politics but don't kid yourself (if he ever gets to vote in the house since that district will be eliminated) that he won't fall in with the other dems in the house.
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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They have a lot of lying to do, to backpeddle this one.
    Why do you think I don't act like they can do something else?
    Days since a far-leftist has lied:0

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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I've always been a Gowdy fan since I first saw him on Forensic Files long before he ran for Congress. Smart man. He'll be missed in Washington.

    I also heard Mike Conaway having to backpedal on his comments on their findings. What a damn disaster this Republican Party has become. Breaks my heart.
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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I suspect Trey Gowdy is the only republican on that committee who values his integrity more than his re-election, but that might just be because he's not running again. I still honor his willingness to stand up and do the right thing. I've honestly never had a problem with Gowdy until he kept voting with the GOP to cover Trump's ass and do Nunes' bidding. Glad to see this.
    What I don't understand is, the Clinton Foundation received $140Million from that great humanitarian, Putin. This occurred during the Uranium One Deal. Why do you think there was a falling out? Was there a buyer's remorse? Or was the targeting of Hillary, a mis-direct strategy, to create negative optics, so the pay to play would appear less obvious?

    For example, If I bribed someone in a position of power, but I was a known as self serving person by everyone else, I would not show my cards by being buddies with my agent. I would work out some smear play, between us, so everyone thinks we hate each other. Now we are not under the radar, and my contact is protected. This is bribery 1.0.

    I would use buddy-buddy play, if I wished to make someone look suspicious, who was not. If I send a box of cigars to my enemy, I can create doubt, so I can better hide my real agent; spy 1.0. It is all about misdirect.

    If you listen to Obama and even Hillary, leading up to the election, everyone assured us that there was no way anyone could tamper with the US election. The data shows the Obama Administration knew of the Russians. This only became a problem after Hillary lost. Then it was plan B, as though a switch was flipped.

    Maybe plan B was the backup strategy; use fake news to pretend Hillary only lost using plan B. This could be used to undermine the legitimacy of Trump, and thereby undermine any evidence his administration may uncover, while being on the inside. That smells like Russian work. If Hillary had won, she would be on the top and plan B may never have been triggered. The great humanitarian Putin may have been a regular in the White House, with no signs of a falling out.

    The successfulness of plan B is connected to the art of effective propaganda. The goal is to get people caught up in the latest news of the here and now, so they forget to extrapolate backwards; learn from history, and make sure all the ducks are in a row. Good propaganda will only look at the latest ducks, which appear to be in a nice line; zoom in! This is how short term thinking based propaganda works. The antidote is you need to look long term; Uranium One, and notice not all these ducks line up with the latest ducks. There are now new unanswered questions, since early ducks are now out of the line.

    The way you induce short term thinking is with emotions. Emotions want immediate gratification and simple solutions. They are not designed for long term thinking; bigger complex picture. The emotional thinker wants this wrapped up and most are willing to stop it anywhere if its appears to satisfy emotional potential. Nobody wants to go backwards and look at the bigger line and risk another round of waiting.

    Plan B benefits by inducing the strongest emotions; hate or fear, since these emotions are hard to carry long term. They need a constant, reboot. They are designed, by nature, to be short term. They both slow down time, so less seems like more; minutia thinking. If you are in fight and flight mode, you are not thinking yesterday or tomorrow, but only the immediate now. The immediate now can appear to add up; best way to satisfy short term emotional potential. You need to do a Mr Spock and shut off these emotions so the time scale widens. The left appear especially vulnerable due to previous feminization and PC programming training, worry only about feelings and not about logic.
    Last edited by wellwisher; 03-16-18 at 07:53 AM.

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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Another consideration is Comey, who protected Hilary from criminal charges, said that there was evidence that hostile powers has tapped into Hillary private server. This was inferred by the FBI, based on trace internet meta data, that is added to the hard drive, during outside read/write. Say we assume the Russians, among others, had hacked Hillary's private server, and the Russians were dead against Hillary, why have they not played the erased Email card? This is a big card to play and could have destroyed Hilary. This was a sore spot for Hillary, since when Trump mentioned it during the debates, Hillary and DNC went just bonkers. This could have helped Trump and killed Hillary, but it was not played.

    The main data used against Hillary was from Wikileaks, which Assange says was not due to the Russians. This is supported by the observation that the DNC would not turn over their server to be investigated by the FBI. They could have confirmed the hacker and put this to rest. If it was the Russians, this would have helped Hilary's defensive strategy. Assange seems to suggest this was from an insider, within the DNC, who was pro_Bernie, and who did not like the rigged primary. This person was killed by some random street violence, shortly thereafter, that was never solved.

    Another idea that came to me was, was any part of the donation to the Clinton foundation, by that great Humanitarian, Putin, used in Hillary's presidential run?
    Last edited by wellwisher; 03-16-18 at 08:21 AM.

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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by wellwisher View Post
    Another consideration is Comey, who protected Hilary from criminal charges, said that there was evidence that hostile powers has tapped into Hillary private server. This was inferred by the FBI, based on trace internet meta data, that is added to the hard drive, during outside read/write. Say we assume the Russians, among others, had hacked Hillary's private server, and the Russians were dead against Hillary, why have they not played the erased Email card? This is a big card to play and could have destroyed Hilary. This was a sore spot for Hillary, since when Trump mentioned it during the debates, Hillary and DNC went just bonkers. This could have helped Trump and killed Hillary, but it was not played.

    The main data used against Hillary was from Wikileaks, which Assange says was not due to the Russians. This is supported by the observation that the DNC would not turn over their server to be investigated by the FBI. They could have confirmed the hacker and put this to rest. If it was the Russians, this would have helped Hilary. Assange seems to suggest this was from an insider, within the DNC, who was pro_Bernie, and who did not like the rigged primary. This person was killed by sone random street violence shortly thereafter.

    Another idea that came to me was, was any part oft the donation to the Clinton foundation, by Putin, used in Hillary's presidential run?

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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I suspect Trey Gowdy is the only republican on that committee who values his integrity more than his re-election, but that might just be because he's not running again. I still honor his willingness to stand up and do the right thing. I've honestly never had a problem with Gowdy until he kept voting with the GOP to cover Trump's ass and do Nunes' bidding. Glad to see this.
    He's not running for reelection.
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    Re: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Tres, think of an alcoholic hitting rock bottom. They have to find their way to the bottom before they climb their way out.
    That worked well for the Whig party.
    No one needs a war more than a Politician who is low in the Polls.

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