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A 13-Year-Old Boy Planned A School Shooting, But Changed His Mind And Killed Himself Instead

Lursa said:
Yup.

Lots of 'em die too, while they're taking out other people. So there's that for their parents to deal with.
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Thankfully the vast majority of laws don't agree and those that due the prosecutors know better than to levy charges...
 
Bodhisattva said:
uh-huh... you said they are called children because they need looking after... that is pretty funny. LOL
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Right, you don't have any, so you don't know anything about kids.
 
Lovebug said:
Page after page of "the gun is guilty" or "the parents are guilty".
Does anyone wonder why the kid did what he did?
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That would actually be working to solve the problem instead of using this to support personal agendas that will not solve anything. Good luck with that.
 
Lursa said:
Well the point I had been focusing on was that in many, even most?, cases of suicide, there was no warning/or no treatment or recognition of the risk.
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Which is one of the reasons why you should keep your firearms properly secured when you have kids in the home.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Which is one of the reasons why you should keep your firearms properly secured when you have kids in the home.
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I have never proposed otherwise.

But it's not likely to affect adult suicide.
 
lefty louie said:
Good for him, he realized he was damaged beyond repair and put himself out of commission. What a sick mind.
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Perfect material for the top ranks of the US military.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, and sell off all of their assets to pay victim restitution.
When they get out of prison then they are all convicted felons, homeless, jobless and ineligible for "safety net" assistance - that will teach folks parental responsibility in a hurry.
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Being homeless and broke opens eyes-especially the broke part.When you can't buy a cup of coffee you have few options open.

Just sayin.
 
jet57 said:
Even with an eighteen yer old; had the weapons been properly stored there'd be no problems. The parents need to be jailed.
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Bull that's a flat out lie.

Or maybe ignorant.

It is impossible to stop a determined and intelligent child over the age of probably 10 who lives in your household from getting their hands on a firearm despite it being stored properly.
 
jaeger19 said:
Bull that's a flat out lie.

Or maybe ignorant.

It is impossible to stop a determined and intelligent child over the age of probably 10 who lives in your household from getting their hands on a firearm despite it being stored properly.
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Wrong again.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I’m baffled that there are those here that disagree with this.
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nope.. not baffling if you have children.. and you understand firearms and storage.

For example the sandy hook Killer killed his mother and stole her firearms. People say that "well if she stored it properly he could not have done that".


Well.. I have my weapons stored in a gun safe. I have to go in and out of that safe to get personal papers, and firearms. All my sons would have to do.. if they are willing to kill me.. is to wait until the safe is open.. and jump me... which is what could have very well happened with Lanza's mother.

Heck. my son;s could have asked to get their birth certificates for school and when I opened the safe.. knock me on the head..

Then you figure that every time I take a gun out to clean it. Or heck.. what happens when they take a firearm out to go hunting with their buddies (which at 16 is legal)?

And then having them not figure out the combination to the safe? When they live with you?
 
jaeger19 said:
Nope correct. You just don't understand firearms nor apparently children.
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Nope; you make it up as you go along. Responsible parents keep kids safe; ask me how I know that?
 
jet57 said:
Nope; you make it up as you go along. Responsible parents keep kids safe; ask me how I know that?
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Well you are wrong about that.

Parents can be as responsible as all heck.. and still not keep their kids safe.

Its called real life. Not fantasy land.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well you are wrong about that.

Parents can be as responsible as all heck.. and still not keep their kids safe.

Its called real life. Not fantasy land.
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You just don't want to admit that the kid got the gun from home. If the kid had taken a "liberal stance" before he shot himself or somebody else you'd be all over his parents.
 
jet57 said:
And where'd the kid get the gun?...

His parents should go to jail; that's how you stop this kind of thing from happening.
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What are his parents going to jail for what did they do. Do you have some info you would like to present that shows a crime? If there is evidence of some crime I'd gladly support it.
 
jet57 said:
You just don't want to admit that the kid got the gun from home. If the kid had taken a "liberal stance" before he shot himself or somebody else you'd be all over his parents.
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Nope.. I have no problem admitting the child got the gun from home.

And no.. I would not be "all over his parents".. if he shot himself or someone for "a liberal stance"... that's you creating a position for me that in no way would I hold.

You have a problem admitting reality.

I would bet, that if the child got drunk on alcohol and killed himself.. or got in a car and killed a bunch of other people. You would not be holding the parents liable because they kept the beer in an unlocked fridge.

And what do you want to bet.. that if we examined the number of alcohol related deaths and injuries.. where a minor got alcohol from his parents fridge or liquor cabinet.. that that number would be far more than the number of children that injured themselves or others with firearms.

•Excessive drinking is responsible for more than 4,300 deaths among underage youth each year, and cost the U.S. $24 billion in economic costs in 2010.2,3
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From 2012 to 2014, on average, 1,297 children died annually from a gun-related injury in the US, according to the study, published in the journal Pediatrics on Monday.
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now.. that's all gun related injuries.. so that not only includes children killing themselves, or accidental shootings but also when adults kill or murder them.

that 4300 alcohol related deaths are just the ones that the child themselves kill themselves or others. Add up deaths from adults killing them? Even higher.
 
LaylaWindu said:
What are his parents going to jail for what did they do. Do you have some info you would like to present that shows a crime? If there is evidence of some crime I'd gladly support it.
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Reckless endangerment is what the parent(s) should be charged with. The kid got the gun from home in all likelihood.
 
jaeger19 said:
Nope.. I have no problem admitting the child got the gun from home.

And no.. I would not be "all over his parents".. if he shot himself or someone for "a liberal stance"... that's you creating a position for me that in no way would I hold.

You have a problem admitting reality.

I would bet, that if the child got drunk on alcohol and killed himself.. or got in a car and killed a bunch of other people. You would not be holding the parents liable because they kept the beer in an unlocked fridge.

And what do you want to bet.. that if we examined the number of alcohol related deaths and injuries.. where a minor got alcohol from his parents fridge or liquor cabinet.. that that number would be far more than the number of children that injured themselves or others with firearms.





now.. that's all gun related injuries.. so that not only includes children killing themselves, or accidental shootings but also when adults kill or murder them.

that 4300 alcohol related deaths are just the ones that the child themselves kill themselves or others. Add up deaths from adults killing them? Even higher.
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You have a problem admitting reality.
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:lamo

Gave up on the Alex Jones subject eh?

If the kid got drunk at home and then went out and killed someone or himself in a car, you bet the parents would be held responsible.

The - diversion...
 
Look on the bright side: since you seldom get the chance to shoot yourself twice, he conserved ammunition for use by all the other (living) gun lovers.
 
jet57 said:
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Gave up on the Alex Jones subject eh?

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Umm.. what Alex Jones subject? I was never "on" whatever the alex Jones subject was.

No.. if the kid got drunk at home and went out and killed himself in a car.. the parents would not be held responsible.

Not unless they specifically gave him the alcohol and got him drunk and then gave him the keys to the car.

If we held parents responsible for all the problems that kids cause from getting alcohol from home? Our jails would be filled with those parents. and they would be letting out drug dealers for room for parents.
 
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