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A 13-Year-Old Boy Planned A School Shooting, But Changed His Mind And Killed Himself Instead

ttwtt78640 said:
What if the tool used to commit suicide was a razor blade or a kitchen knife?
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Ban them. Who needs a razor blade? You can shave as well with an electric. Food can be bought already cut up. Cars as well. 13 year olds steal the keys and take parents cars. Sometimes killing themselves or their passengers in the process.

All the non caring unqualified parents should go to jail.
 
Not sure how a kid lives this life:

"I wanna leve [sic] a lasting impression on the world," read one of the memos written on Simons' cell phone on Feb. 16, according to a statement released by police.

"I'll have followers because I'm so awesome I know someone will follow me just like I followed Eric Harris and Dylan Klebolt's [sic]," read another memo from Feb. 17, referencing the killers behind the Columbine High School shooting in 1999. "I'll look in to those scared little britches [sic] eyes before I kill them."

"They say school shootings are horrible but they don't think like us like me Eric and Dylan," the note stated.

And people dont see these signs.
 
Moon said:
An end to what kind of thing? Suicides, or suicides with guns?
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jeez .... you guys crack me up

An end to kids taking guns out of their homes without permission and doing terrible things, that's what.

I mean, do you guys even think of that?
 
And once again the conversation turns to guns rather than the motive. The kid idolized the shooters from Columbine and wanted to be like them. He sought notoriety. Why? Could it be because every damned time one of these things goes down the media focus incessantly on how horrible it was and how the shooter was some kind of monster and then hype the hell out of the event to push a political agenda? Could it possibly be that the way we respond to these things is creating copycats?

How about this, the next time some kid shoots up a school we focus on how messed up the shooter was and why nobody helped him and we leave his damned name out of the press? How about instead of making these kids out to be anti-heroes we make them out to be what they were, desperate kids in need of help?
 
VanceMack said:
Not sure how a kid lives this life:

"I wanna leve [sic] a lasting impression on the world," read one of the memos written on Simons' cell phone on Feb. 16, according to a statement released by police.

"I'll have followers because I'm so awesome I know someone will follow me just like I followed Eric Harris and Dylan Klebolt's [sic]," read another memo from Feb. 17, referencing the killers behind the Columbine High School shooting in 1999. "I'll look in to those scared little britches [sic] eyes before I kill them."

"They say school shootings are horrible but they don't think like us like me Eric and Dylan," the note stated.

And people dont see these signs.
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No adults show interest in a kid's life; they marginalize him, abuse him, gaslight him, idiot adults do all kinds of things to end up with kids who end up like this.
 
Lutherf said:
And once again the conversation turns to guns rather than the motive. The kid idolized the shooters from Columbine and wanted to be like them. He sought notoriety. Why? Could it be because every damned time one of these things goes down the media focus incessantly on how horrible it was and how the shooter was some kind of monster and then hype the hell out of the event to push a political agenda? Could it possibly be that the way we respond to these things is creating copycats?

How about this, the next time some kid shoots up a school we focus on how messed up the shooter was and why nobody helped him and we leave his damned name out of the press? How about instead of making these kids out to be anti-heroes we make them out to be what they were, desperate kids in need of help?
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Well - once again there was a gun involved - right?? Once again, idiots with guns cause more trouble than we need - right??
 
Renae said:
You assume the gun wasn't stored properly. a 7th grader is capable of defeating many safeguards to a weapon
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(chuckle)

oh my god

If it was stored properly he wouldn't have gotten it now - would he.
 
jet57 said:
And where'd the kid get the gun?...

His parents should go to jail; that's how you stop this kind of thing from happening.
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They did the world a favor. Why should they go to jail?

What's next? Are you going to want to outlaw suicide?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There was no rampage, only the alleged plans for one, the kid killed only himself at school. School shootings get more press than suicides at home (no matter what tool is used). Perhaps, the kid ultimately decided that his suicide with a gun at school would help to get improved school security without the need to claim any innocent victims.
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He left evidence that clearly expressed his intent to kill his fellow students. We're just lucky he changed his mind. If he had used a razor blade or kitchen knife to attempt suicide, there would have been a much better chance that he could have been saved. As I said, guns are much more efficient.
 
Lutherf said:
And once again the conversation turns to guns rather than the motive. The kid idolized the shooters from Columbine and wanted to be like them. He sought notoriety. Why? Could it be because every damned time one of these things goes down the media focus incessantly on how horrible it was and how the shooter was some kind of monster and then hype the hell out of the event to push a political agenda? Could it possibly be that the way we respond to these things is creating copycats?

How about this, the next time some kid shoots up a school we focus on how messed up the shooter was and why nobody helped him and we leave his damned name out of the press? How about instead of making these kids out to be anti-heroes we make them out to be what they were, desperate kids in need of help?
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The down side of that is not getting the many reports of multiple warning signs reported to "officials" in advance. If the name (and address?) of the perp remains unknown then a considerable amount of potentially valuable information (ways to prevent the next one) may remain unknown.
 
jet57 said:
Well - once again there was a gun involved - right?? Once again, idiots with guns cause more trouble than we need - right??
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We need more idiot control for sure.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We need more idiot control for sure.
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Yeah, those parents should be in jail for this. And before you say"Jail for suicide?? He took the gun to school to use it to mill other kids.
 
I won't drop the hammer prematurely, but if his parents allowed this kid easy access to a gun, put me in the court of those that want to see their asses in jail.

I doubt that's the case, but there's enough flaky parents out there that it may be.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, those parents should be in jail for this. And before you say"Jail for suicide?? He took the gun to school to use it to mill other kids.
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What kind of ****ing idiot parents think that they’re not responsible for their children’s actions. Minors that they’re legally responsible for.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, those parents should be in jail for this. And before you say"Jail for suicide?? He took the gun to school to use it to mill other kids.
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Are you seriously saying that the parents of a suicide victim should be further punished (assuming it was their gun)? Are the responsible adults that allowed a gun into a school building not subject to any punishment? After all, if a 13-year-old kid can defeat their school security system then a former student as an adult, as was the case in Floriduh, could do so as well.
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

oh my god

If it was stored properly he wouldn't have gotten it now - would he.
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By the time I was in high school, I could unlock every door in the house with or without the actual key, could log into any email or account that had been used on the home computer, and knew how to get around the website blocks on the school computers. Kids are dangerously resourceful.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you seriously saying that the parents of a suicide victim should be further punished (assuming it was their gun)? Are the responsible adults that allowed a gun into a school building not subject to any punishment? After all, if a 13-year-old kid can defeat their school security system then a former student as an adult, as was the case in Floriduh, could do so as well.
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If the parents weren't idiots, the kid wouldn't be dead no would he? The boy is dead, and other children could have been dead because the idiot parents weren't payin attention - right?

Yeah, because of where the kid ended up, they should be jailed.
 
Rogue Valley said:
FULL TITLE: A 13-Year-Old Boy Planned A School Shooting, But Changed His Mind And Killed Himself Instead, Police Say



We were lucky, because absolutely no one recognized this catastrophe in the making.
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I was just saying in another thread yesterday this desire to leave a mark is key in many of these cases, and here we have a prime example. Some combination of effects are making these kids prefer to be "famous" dead villains over relatively unknown, normal people who are alive.

How isolated do you have to feel in order to think of the long dead Columbine kids as those closest to your way of thinking?

In this case, I imagine in the moment he realized he didn't actually want to hurt anyone, and feeling like he was a failure even in this and imagining the embarrassment once he was discovered, killed himself.

We need to find some way to release the pressure from these kids.
 
jet57 said:
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If the parents weren't idiots, the kid wouldn't be dead no would he? The boy is dead, and other children could have been dead because the idiot parents weren't payin attention - right?

Yeah, because of where the kid ended up, they should be jailed.
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Repeating the same thing does not make it true. Can you provide any evidence of how the kid got the gun?

BTW, nice dodge of putting any blame on school personnel that allow armed folks to enter their "gun free zone".
 
Good for him, he realized he was damaged beyond repair and put himself out of commission. What a sick mind.

Now let's see if he was bullied or was just deranged.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The down side of that is not getting the many reports of multiple warning signs reported to "officials" in advance. If the name (and address?) of the perp remains unknown then a considerable amount of potentially valuable information (ways to prevent the next one) may remain unknown.
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You don't need a name in the paper to focus on that stuff. If we want to slow this crap down the stories need to read like this:

"Kid pops gasket, shoots up school. School officials knew the kid was exhibiting signs of anti-social behavior and appeared to be a danger to himself and/or others for the past year. School notified parents. Parents ignored issues and chose to sue the school for slandering their kid. The cops had been called 20 times to the kids house and knew he had issues. They didn't do anything either. The parents of a dozen or so dead kids are pretty pissed that everybody knew there was an issue and nobody took responsibility for addressing the issue appropriately. End of story."
 
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