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NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election

Gina said:
They have a limitation to act on their own in this circumstance:


Rogers' testimony is there in black and white. The president can give Rogers and the other agencies additional authorities. He didn't say lift. He said he hadn't "been granted any additional authorities". Once again, if that were not true, the senate committee members would have corrected him. Vociferously. But they did not.

Take it up with whoever put the current rules in place and again, it's a good thing the national intelligence agencies cannot go off on a lark and take these kinds of actions without presidential approval.
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I can't see the president having legal authorities, regarding the duties within Rogers' purview that Rogers doesn't have. It isn't the president's job to micromanage Rogers' agency. The president relates to the director his intent and the director conducts his duties within his legal authority and with the president's intent in mind.

Now, I know someone is going slide in with some smartass post that goes "but...but...Trump doesn't intend to do anything". But, if President Trump had given orders to do nothing, I'm sure that Rogers would have said that. Exactly that. I doubt that it's outside Rogers' authority to guard the country, especially the voting process, against cyber invasion.

Then again, Rogers was the director of the NSA in 2014, when the Troll Factory started lighting up social media in The United States and didn't do jack ****. He might be crying "my authority" to cover his ass for doing nothing, then.
 
Rogue Valley said:
There is nothing wrong with the law. US Cyber Command would probably have to initiate offensive actions against Russia to convince Moscow that the US is serious. As with kinetic weapons, any US Combatant Commander would have to first clear offensive actions against Russia with the Joint Chiefs and the Trump White House before acting. Adm. Rogers is saying his Command can go no further without Trumps express (CinC) orders.
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Is that what Rogers is asking for?
 
sangha said:
Yeah, it is another conspiracy!! :lamo

Soon, you will be whining about Fake News :lamo

I wonder if you think the Republicans who asked him to testify are in on the conspiracy. After all, everyone is out to get Trump, right?
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Oh you dont think the senator asked that question for a reason or that the NSA director had his answeres laid out for a reason?

See....THATS funny. :lamo

But what is his JOB? Does he have the authority to do his JOB? Does the president even have the ABILITY to order the head of ANY agency to 'exceed his authority' (his words)? And do you want an open declaration that we are attacking Russia? Do you even have the first ****ing clue what you are on about?
 
apdst said:
Is that what Rogers is asking for?
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Its cute that they think it is intelligent to openly declare war on Russia.
 
VanceMack said:
Does he have the authority to do his JOB?
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Rogers says he does not
"I don’t have the day-to-day authority to do that,” Rogers said.
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Does the president even have the ABILITY to order the head of ANY agency to 'exceed his authority' (his words)?
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The president can increase his authority
 
apdst said:
I can't see the president having legal authorities, regarding the duties within Rogers' purview that Rogers doesn't have. It isn't the president's job to micromanage Rogers' agency. The president relates to the director his intent and the director conducts his duties within his legal authority and with the president's intent in mind.

Now, I know someone is going slide in with some smartass post that goes "but...but...Trump doesn't intend to do anything". But, if President Trump had given orders to do nothing, I'm sure that Rogers would have said that. Exactly that. I doubt that it's outside Rogers' authority to guard the country, especially the voting process, against cyber invasion.

Then again, Rogers was the director of the NSA in 2014, when the Troll Factory started lighting up social media in The United States and didn't do jack ****. He might be crying "my authority" to cover his ass for doing nothing, then.
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You're being unable to see the president having the authority to grant the intelligence agencies additional authorities to do combat the continuing attacks to influence our elections, is immaterial. Rogers and the senate agree that the executive holds that power. Or there would be disagreement between them and the senate would be chastising all the intelligence agencies for not doing their jobs.

In addition to fulfilling the obligations and responsibilities prescribed by the Act, the Director:
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(23) Shall seek advice from the Secretary of State to ensure that the foreign policy implications of proposed intelligence activities are considered, and shall ensure, through appropriate policies and procedures, that intelligence activities are conducted in a manner consistent with the responsibilities pursuant to law and presidential direction of Chiefs of United States Missions; and

1.4 The Intelligence Community. Consistent with applicable Federal law and with the other provisions of this order, and under the leadership of the Director, as specified in such law and this order, the Intelligence Community shall:
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(b) In accordance with priorities set by the President, collect information concerning, and conduct activities to protect against, international terrorism, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, intelligence activities directed against the United States, international criminal drug activities, and other hostile activities directed against the United States by foreign powers, organizations, persons, and their agents;
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https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/eo12333.html

There is so much more in that link stipulating that the director of the NSA and the intelligence services need the approval and/or direction of president for certain activities. I cannot quote all the pertinent passages due to Fair Use. Clearly, neither Rogers or any of the other chiefs of the intelligence services responsible for protecting our next election from the ongoing assault via Russian interference were crying wolf about their need for presidential direction.
 
For those who are unable to understand Gina, et al, Rogers has not been given the order to act against Russia and Putin because to do so proves 45 and his inner circle were in cahoots with the Russians. Now, if having an R in the WH with Russia's help doesn't matter to them, then hell, our country might as well be a satellite of Russia.
 
apdst said:
Is that what Rogers is asking for?
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Like any Commander, if Rogers calculates that instituting offensive cyber operations against Russia will probably result in intensified/reciprocal Russian kinetic/cyber retaliation, he must first acquire permission from the CinC to proceed.

Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) is a military command just like CENTCOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, etc. These Combatant Commanders simply can't initiate offensive actions against Russia on their own authority.
 
Rogue Valley said:
NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election



Sadly, Trump just doesn't care that our 2018 election cycle will be attacked and inundated with online Russian propaganda and disinformation.

Related: Adm. Rogers: Cyber Command needs authority from Trump to fight Russian influence online

NSA director Mike Rogers’s careful indictment of Trump’s anti-Russia efforts
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The NSA director needs an order for that. I'd fire that son of a bitch just for admitting he isn't doing it on his own.
 
American said:
The NSA director needs an order for that. I'd fire that son of a bitch just for admitting he isn't doing it on his own.
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No US intelligence agency is a lone wolf "on its own". Lol. Where in hell did you get that stupid notion?

In addition, Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) is a military command and must operate via the military chain of command.
 
Rogue Valley said:
No US intelligence agency is a lone wolf "on its own". Lol. Where in hell did you get that stupid notion?

In addition, Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) is a military command and must operate via the military chain of command.
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My guess is they have standing missions. I think the article is bull****, and just another attempt to criticize Trump and make him look like he's helping Putin or something. We both know it's bull****.
 
American said:
My guess is they have standing missions. I think the article is bull****, and just another attempt to criticize Trump and make him look like he's helping Putin or something. We both know it's bull****.
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How can it be bull****? Rogers was testifying in an open Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. Those are direct quotes.

The reality is, Trump has never criticized Putin/Russia for meddling in the 2016 election, nor has Trump ever ordered punitive measures for doing so.

For God's sake, Congress had to pass a Trump-veto-proof Russian sanctions law, and he still isn't complying.
 
apdst said:
I can't see the president having legal authorities, regarding the duties within Rogers' purview that Rogers doesn't have. It isn't the president's job to micromanage Rogers' agency. The president relates to the director his intent and the director conducts his duties within his legal authority and with the president's intent in mind.

Now, I know someone is going slide in with some smartass post that goes "but...but...Trump doesn't intend to do anything". But, if President Trump had given orders to do nothing, I'm sure that Rogers would have said that. Exactly that. I doubt that it's outside Rogers' authority to guard the country, especially the voting process, against cyber invasion.

Then again, Rogers was the director of the NSA in 2014, when the Troll Factory started lighting up social media in The United States and didn't do jack ****. He might be crying "my authority" to cover his ass for doing nothing, then.
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After all we've learned about the NSA from Snowden, Binney, Drake and a host of others, what Rogers offers is nothing but crocodile tears and political theater. Cry babies playing for the cameras.
 
Rogue Valley said:
NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election



Sadly, Trump just doesn't care that our 2018 election cycle will be attacked and inundated with online Russian propaganda and disinformation.

Related: Adm. Rogers: Cyber Command needs authority from Trump to fight Russian influence online

NSA director Mike Rogers’s careful indictment of Trump’s anti-Russia efforts
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Why should President Trump have to issue a specific order? Isn't that these agencies job already to fight against this type of stuff? You mean they don't know what to do unless he tells them specifically how to do their jobs? So they just sit around twiddling their thumbs until they get his order, then it's OMG, so that's what we're here for !! Finally, we know what to do !!!! Jeeeeeeez........
 
Waddy said:
Why should President Trump have to issue a specific order? Isn't that these agencies job already to fight against this type of stuff? You mean they don't know what to do unless he tells them specifically how to do their jobs? So they just sit around twiddling their thumbs until they get his order, then it's OMG, so that's what we're here for !! Finally, we know what to do !!!! Jeeeeeeez........
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In the same manner that the Strategic Command commander can't [on his own initiative] order nuclear equipped B-52's to drop on Moscow, the Cyber Command commander can't [on his own initiative] order his forces to attack Russia with cyber weapons.

In both cases, the commanders need the approval of both Trump and the Joint Chiefs. It's called the formal chain-of-command. It's really not that difficult a concept.
 
Rogue Valley said:
NSA Director: Trump Has Given No Specific Order to Combat Russian Meddling in 2018 Election



Sadly, Trump just doesn't care that our 2018 election cycle will be attacked and inundated with online Russian propaganda and disinformation.

Related: Adm. Rogers: Cyber Command needs authority from Trump to fight Russian influence online

NSA director Mike Rogers’s careful indictment of Trump’s anti-Russia efforts
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Why on Earth does Trump need to give a specific order? What do these people do, just sit in a room watching tv reruns until Trump calls on the red phone? Serioiusly!
 
Moderate Right said:
Why on Earth does Trump need to give a specific order? What do these people do, just sit in a room watching tv reruns until Trump calls on the red phone? Serioiusly!
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Instead of just dropping a quick stupid question, you have to read the thread. It's self explanatory.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Instead of just dropping a quick stupid question, you have to read the thread. It's self explanatory.
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Was watching CNN today, something I usually hate, and even they had people on saying that intelligence agencies were, in fact, doing things already to safeguard the midterm elections. So, the criticism against Trump is ridiculous.
 
Years ago when I was a teen a buddy of mine was working at a grocery store and I wanted a summer job. They had a bagging position open and he said he would help me get the job. I didn't stop him because I knew I wouldn't get the job without his help. I allowed him to interfere in the process because I knew it was the only way I'd win the position over all the other kids putting in for it.
 
Moderate Right said:
Was watching CNN today, something I usually hate, and even they had people on saying that intelligence agencies were, in fact, doing things already to safeguard the midterm elections. So, the criticism against Trump is ridiculous.
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The various government bureaucrats are "safeguarding the midterm elections" just as so many other federal bureaucrats are "protecting us from illegal drugs" to the point that those drugs are smuggled into prisons and sold on street corners.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The various government bureaucrats are "safeguarding the midterm elections" just as so many other federal bureaucrats are "protecting us from illegal drugs" to the point that those drugs are smuggled into prisons and sold on street corners.
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While that may be true, what do you propose?
 
Moderate Right said:
While that may be true, what do you propose?
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Nothing in particular. I am not convinced that US voters are manipulated in any significant way by foreign governments.

I am not convinced that voting in this country, all things considered, really has any effect at all on how the government is run or how it operates. Voting is rather an illusion, a charade that changes nothing of any significance.
 
Moderate Right said:
Was watching CNN today, something I usually hate, and even they had people on saying that intelligence agencies were, in fact, doing things already to safeguard the midterm elections. So, the criticism against Trump is ridiculous.
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Are they placing cyber-weapons on Russian computers?
 
I firmly believe that the Russians are blackmailing Trump. They tapped his phone when he was in Moscow in 2013 & they have all of his calls on tape. They have more than enough on him to blackmail him.
 
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