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Armed with an AR-15, military veteran keeps watch on Indiana high school

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...an-keeps-watch-indiana-high-school/370277002/


Parked just off the grounds of North Side High School, Mark Cowan's eyes are shown peeled on the Fort Wayne campus.He tells WANE-TV that's he's there because he's concerned about the safety of those inside. The station reports that Cowan, an Army veteran, is armed with an AR-15 and a handgun, despite the school district saying his presence doesn't increase security.
"(Students and teachers) all deserve a right to go home at night without fear of what's going to happen during the day," Cowan told the station.
The move comes after a mass shooting at a high school in Florida recently left 17 people dead.
Cowan told WANE-TV he plans to be parked outside until there's a security upgrade at the school. The school, like others in the northeastern Indiana city, has an armed police officer inside the building.
Since staking out his spot overlooking the school, Cowan has been in contact with the school's resource officer and area police about his plan, WANE-TV reports. Cowan, a member of the Oath Keepers, also told the station he's also been in contact with other members of the organization about joining him.
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Dudes guardin'.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know if this is the right answer. Then again...if the news out of Florida is correct, 4 armed Sheriffs deputies waited outside a school allowing an armed assailant to shoot unarmed victims unchecked for 4-6 minutes...so...I dont know if its such a bad thing either.
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Isn't that the most fvcked up thing anyone ever heard? How the hell is that even possible? Damn. Set your kitchen timer to 4 minutes and pretend you're outside a school, hearing gunshots and yells.
It boggles the mind.
 
Grand Mal said:
Isn't that the most fvcked up thing anyone ever heard? How the hell is that even possible? Damn. Set your kitchen timer to 4 minutes and pretend you're outside a school, hearing gunshots and yells.
It boggles the mind.
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I agree that it's shameful. But I do understand LE reluctance to pull a trigger these days. What if they hit a kid by mistake. THAT would be the news story for weeks. Charges would be brought. Career's ended and possible jail time. The job is inherently dangerous. Now doing the job is inherently dangerous.
 
This is the solution that makes the most sense to me.

Armed guards that are former military. Especially vets that have seen combat. They are trained for chaotic situations. They are trained to deal with armed conflict. They have been in scenarios, training or live, to help them keep their composure. There are plenty of vets in need of work.
 
chuckiechan said:
We don’t need uninvited armed civilians posting up in front of schools.
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Ya I think id be a little creeped too even if they mean well. They would have to intergrate themself with the cops somehow to be considered well regulated and recorded. And most cops probably wouldnt want to.
 
jet57 said:
Stupid.

And what the hell are the authorities doin letting some guy with an AR walk around the school for??
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I assume hes parked a block or so away from the school with the rifle in his trunk.
 
The key thing the article doesn’t cover is what he intends to do if he sees something he considered suspicious or questionable or if he sees some kind of definitive attack on the school. It seems to open up all sorts of practical and legal questions that don’t seem to be being considered at all.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know if this is the right answer. Then again...if the news out of Florida is correct, 4 armed Sheriffs deputies waited outside a school allowing an armed assailant to shoot unarmed victims unchecked for 4-6 minutes...so...I dont know if its such a bad thing either.
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So 'we' believe the leftist media when 'we' want to believe- otherwise it's just the lying media pushing it's leftist agenda. (FYI there has been ZERO corroboration by body cam, named sources, either department.... but that doesn't matter in this, unlike talk of chaos in the Trump West Wing) :peace
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Dudes guardin'.
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Hate to burst any dudes' bubble but the vast majority of army veterans are civilians who learned how to salute and barely know the difference between an AR's pointy end over the blunt end. Few in, oh say, logistics ever trained on how to be a door kicker, sweep a room and in split seconds determine which if any in the group was killing folks.

I do seem to recall some stories about false valor oath keepers claiming to be all manner of high speed but turned out to be a dud round.

But I do realize some need a 'win' even if it's hollow. I'd admire it a bit more if the fearless guardian of school children did this in a bad area where the threat is daily from drug gangs and teacher assaults occur daily.... :peace
 
Well one thing he did by putting himself in the spotlight light, it will make him the first target for any wannabe be school shooter so at least the the first shot will come from outside the school, kinda a warning shot.
 
I think the notion of using Combat Vets as School guards could be a double edged sword...there is plenty of potential there, but the line between brilliant idea and catastrophic ending is pretty damn thin.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know if this is the right answer. Then again...if the news out of Florida is correct, 4 armed Sheriffs deputies waited outside a school allowing an armed assailant to shoot unarmed victims unchecked for 4-6 minutes...so...I dont know if its such a bad thing either.
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It's a great idea, and if the word gets out, those with nefarious intentions will never know who and when they'll meet up with someone with an AR-15 that'll gladly blow their ****ing head off in order to protect the children. Maybe they'll begin to worry about going near a school.
 
Polar Bum said:
I think the notion of using Combat Vets as School guards could be a double edged sword...there is plenty of potential there, but the line between brilliant idea and catastrophic ending is pretty damn thin.
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Okay so you don't like the idea. You need to just say so.
 
jet57 said:
Stupid.

And what the hell are the authorities doin letting some guy with an AR walk around the school for??
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Please quote from the article to support your notion.
 
chuckiechan said:
We don’t need uninvited armed civilians posting up in front of schools.
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We do until law enforcement and state legislatures get their collective heads out of their asses.
 
American said:
Okay so you don't like the idea. You need to just say so.
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No, that's not what I am saying.

What I am saying, is that it has awesome potential, but if not vetted and handled properly, it has all the makings of a train wreck.
 
American said:
We do until law enforcement and state legislatures get their collective heads out of their asses.
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Yes, let's start by not collectively applauding things like rolling back Obama-era attempts to take us in the proper direction. It's not just Washington that has their heads up their asses.

- Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook)
- James Holmes (Aurora shooting)
- Nikolas Cruz (Parkland)

All three with a history of documented mental illness and all three legally handling and purchasing weapons. In the mean time, there may a documented mentally-ill person in a Bass Pro Shop right now looking to celebrate his Second Amendment right. But we appear to prefer the "solution" to whatever his intentions may be to involve only arming up teachers and shrugging at roadside Veterans with nothing else to do. We don't do prevention. This is like insisting that the solution to our constant cavity problem is to simply go to the dentist for fillings, not a toothbrush. This is the country we have collectively made with our Second Amendment games.
 
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MSgt said:
Yes, let's start by not collectively applauding things like rolling back Obama-era attempts to take us in the proper direction. It's not just Washington that has their heads up their asses.

- Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook)
- James Holmes (Aurora shooting)
- Nikolas Cruz (Parkland)

All three with a history of documented mental illness and all three legally handling and purchasing weapons. In the mean time, there may a documented mentally-ill person in a Bass Pro Shop right now looking to celebrate his Second Amendment right. But we appear to prefer the "solution" to whatever his intentions may be to involve only arming up teachers and shrugging at roadside Veterans with nothing else to do. We don't do prevention. This is like insisting that the solution to our constant cavity problem is to simply go to the dentist for fillings, not a toothbrush. This is the country we have collectively made with our Second Amendment games.
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Did Obama really take us the right direction?

Donald Trump Revoked Obama-Era Gun Checks For Mentally Ill Law | Fortune

The devil is always in the details, the ACLU even opposed it; they are notorious for seldom ever supporting a conservative view of anything. But they weren't alone.
 
Polar Bum said:
No, that's not what I am saying.

What I am saying, is that it has awesome potential, but if not vetted and handled properly, it has all the makings of a train wreck.
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There risk in everything, and what makes you think no vetting will occur? This has never been done in modern times, so assuming the worst is misguided.
 
Hardly a good thing to have a vigilante member standing watch.
 
I so appreciate this man's intentions, but I think it's misguided and even dangerous. Non-trained persons have the potential to be more of a liability than help.
 
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