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Broward Deputies to Carry Rifles on School Grounds: Sheriff

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https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html

Deputies will carry rifles on the grounds of local schools in Broward County in the wake of the Parkland school shooting, Broward Sheriff Scott Israel announced Wednesday.

Israel said that only deputies who are "qualified and trained" will carry the rifles on school grounds.
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Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html



Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
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These are the same LEOs that visited the "weird kid" multiple (39?) times and yet saw no cause to arrest him - their leader wants that forgotten ASAP and feels that he must (finally?) take some (highly visible?) action. We will see how long this local show of force lasts. Let Floriduh be Floriduh.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
These are the same LEOs that visited the "weird kid" multiple (39?) times and yet saw no cause to arrest him - their leader wants that forgotten ASAP and feels that he must (finally?) take some (highly visible?) action. We will see how long this local show of force lasts. Let Floriduh be Floriduh.
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Had he committed an arrestable offense? I’m asking because I don’t know.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Had he committed an arrestable offense? I’m asking because I don’t know.
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I have no idea but they found it worth responding to calls about him multiple times (about every other month for 5 years?).
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html



Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
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A staff of school police officers, in uniform with holstered pistols would be a sufficient show of force.

Couple that with a hardened main entrance and metal detectors, and electronically secured emergency exits, and it would go a long way towards actual prevention.
 
Pay for it with the Mexican border wall money.
 
Captain Adverse said:
A staff of school police officers, in uniform with holstered pistols would be a sufficient show of force.

Couple that with a hardened main entrance and metal detectors, and electronically secured emergency exits, and it would go a long way towards actual prevention.
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Wow.
How'd it ever come to this? Ever wonder what those children- you're talking about elementary schools too, right?- ever wonder what those children are learning about their society?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the need for armed security in schools and, to my surprise, I agree with allowing teachers to be armed. But man oh man, any effects of institutionalization on adults, being confined in a guarded facility, must be multiplied in children.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html



Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
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Our schools will soon be right in line with protecting the second amendment:


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Please not the effective guard tower; one of several, stationed to back up patrolling guards with rifles.

Nobody with a gun will get in or out of THAT place!

But our children will of course receive an adequate education.
 
Grand Mal said:
Wow.
How'd it ever come to this? Ever wonder what those children- you're talking about elementary schools too, right?- ever wonder what those children are learning about their society?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the need for armed security in schools and, to my surprise, I agree with allowing teachers to be armed. But man oh man, any effects of institutionalization on adults, being confined in a guarded facility, must be multiplied in children.
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This is the problem...something or more likely several things, is acting as a catalyst for some of our citizens to act out in suicidal violence.

They may be seeking the easiest targets, but they don't usually expect to survive themselves.

The first step is to make targets harder to acquire.

The next step is to work to find the root causes of these acts, and design programs and methodologies to deal with them before they arise to violent action.
 
Grand Mal said:
Wow.
How'd it ever come to this? Ever wonder what those children- you're talking about elementary schools too, right?- ever wonder what those children are learning about their society?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the need for armed security in schools and, to my surprise, I agree with allowing teachers to be armed. But man oh man, any effects of institutionalization on adults, being confined in a guarded facility, must be multiplied in children.
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No ****. My school was completly open. Anyone could go anywhere and no one could even stop you from just walking home instead of going to the bathroom. Now my daughter is inside a locked steel fence all day unless she goes through the office to get out. Weird to think about. Remember kids, land of the free, home of the brave. But your first 18 years are basically in a prison setting. And now we have to add roving armed men, holy hell this is getting crazy.
 
Captain Adverse said:
This is the problem...something or more likely several things, is acting as a catalyst for some of our citizens to act out in suicidal violence.

They may be seeking the easiest targets, but they don't usually expect to survive themselves.

The first step is to make targets harder to acquire.

The next step is to work to find the root causes of these acts, and design programs and methodologies to deal with them before they arise to violent action.
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I put it this way- where are the psycho killers coming from and how can the tap be turned off?
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html



Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
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So what happens if the shooter is not an inexperienced kill. Maybe people will lose their irrational fear of rifles if they see good guys carrying them for the kids safety.
 
Grand Mal said:
I put it this way- where are the psycho killers coming from and how can the tap be turned off?
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They come from society and have almost always given off many signs that something is not right between their ears, Cruz had been contacted something like 40 times due to his behavior, something needs to change in how we deal with these people.
 
Truckstop said:
No ****. My school was completly open. Anyone could go anywhere and no one could even stop you from just walking home instead of going to the bathroom. Now my daughter is inside a locked steel fence all day unless she goes through the office to get out. Weird to think about. Remember kids, land of the free, home of the brave. But your first 18 years are basically in a prison setting. And now we have to add roving armed men, holy hell this is getting crazy.
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Does it feel like protecting a retreat, covering a withdrawal into a secure position? 'Cuz that's how it looks. I'm for the security upgrade just so long as it's not seen as a solution. A temporary necessity. But it just tastes bad.
 
Casper said:
They come from society and have almost always given off many signs that something is not right between their ears, Cruz had been contacted something like 40 times due to his behavior, something needs to change in how we deal with these people.
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Next question- how to stop them coming? That'll be the first step to solving the problem, instead of just damage control.
 
Captain Adverse said:
A staff of school police officers, in uniform with holstered pistols would be a sufficient show of force.

Couple that with a hardened main entrance and metal detectors, and electronically secured emergency exits, and it would go a long way towards actual prevention.
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You know, my youngest son went to high school for a couple years in the Philippines. One day he brought a penknife to school and showed it to a friend...and suddenly that friend and several other students are clustered around him, berating him for bringing a knife to school, asking "why do you need a weapon in school? We don't need weapons here!"

That's the way it is throughout most of the rest of the world. In America, however, it's "a staff of school police officers, in uniform with holstered pistols would be a sufficient show of force...{coupled} with a hardened main entrance and metal detectors, and electronically secured emergency exits."

The really sad thing is, there's a lot of people out there who think that's the way it should be.
 
Grand Mal said:
Next question- how to stop them coming? That'll be the first step to solving the problem, instead of just damage control.
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We need to change the laws so that someone that is exhibiting anti-social tendencies, saying or doing erratic or strange things can be brought into a professional and diagnosed as to whether they are a threat to themselves of others. We will never get them all but it would stop many of them since most have a history of strange behavior.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You know, my youngest son went to high school for a couple years in the Philippines. One day he brought a penknife to school and showed it to a friend...and suddenly that friend and several other students are clustered around him, berating him for bringing a knife to school, asking "why do you need a weapon in school? We don't need weapons here!"

That's the way it is throughout most of the rest of the world. In America, however, it's "a staff of school police officers, in uniform with holstered pistols would be a sufficient show of force...{coupled} with a hardened main entrance and metal detectors, and electronically secured emergency exits."

The really sad thing is, there's a lot of people out there who think that's the way it should be.
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Well, back in my early days the threat wasn't guns...it was knives. Not penknives, but switchblades. No one was stupid enough to mess with someone like that...we just reported it and let the adults handle it.

Of course, thanks to gangs that evolved into guns. But mostly to deal with rival gangs. Still, in NYC they had schools with armed police and metal detectors my last couple of years in High School.
 
Grand Mal said:
I put it this way- where are the psycho killers coming from and how can the tap be turned off?
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Sadly, they are coming from the very schools we are trying to protect.
 
Grand Mal said:
Does it feel like protecting a retreat, covering a withdrawal into a secure position? 'Cuz that's how it looks. I'm for the security upgrade just so long as it's not seen as a solution. A temporary necessity. But it just tastes bad.
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TBH the more I think about it the less I like it. I understand things change and we have to do things we don't want to, but what if raising kids in prison environments is partially to blame for breaking some of them. I just don't know. I just know they will never feel as safe as I felt in school in small town Montana in the late 70's early 80's and that sucks for them.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Broward-Deputies-to-Carry-Rifles-on-School-Grounds-474763143.html



Seriously? That's a whole lot of overreaction. The kids are supposed to be going to school, not prison camp.

I get it, there's a deterrence factor. Deterrents are good but it's really easy to overdo it and that's what this feels like. A trained individual with a handgun will be more than capable of taking out an untrained kid with an AR inside a school.

You want safety? Start the security zone at the entrance to the parking lot. Solicit volunteers from the community (LOTS of retired LE and Military in most communities) to assist in security. Get these volunteers to engage with the kids, the parents and the teachers. Find out where the hot spots are and keep an eye on them.
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1. The shooter won't go through the parking lot.

2. What happens if a volunteer citizen ends up killing someone in the name of security and is wrong?

Among other questions...
 
Grand Mal said:
Wow.
How'd it ever come to this? Ever wonder what those children- you're talking about elementary schools too, right?- ever wonder what those children are learning about their society?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the need for armed security in schools and, to my surprise, I agree with allowing teachers to be armed. But man oh man, any effects of institutionalization on adults, being confined in a guarded facility, must be multiplied in children.
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They are learning that their society cares enough about them to protect them from bad people. You're acting like these people are threats to the children and not protectors. The kids aren't confined like they are in a prison, they are protected from harm by trained and armed people who are willing to use deadly force if necessary since our children are worth it.
 
jet57 said:
Our schools will soon be right in line with protecting the second amendment:


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Please not the effective guard tower; one of several, stationed to back up patrolling guards with rifles.

Nobody with a gun will get in or out of THAT place!

But our children will of course receive an adequate education.
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What a dumb idea. You hear "armed guard" and all you can think of is a prison. The TRUTH is that those armed guards are protectors, not enforcers.
 
faithful_servant said:
What a dumb idea. You hear "armed guard" and all you can think of is a prison. The TRUTH is that those armed guards are protectors, not enforcers.
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No - I hear all the idiot ideas on how we have to "protect the children!!!" and I think of prisons.

The truth is those armed guards should not be necessary.
 
jet57 said:
No - I hear all the idiot ideas on how we have to "protect the children!!!" and I think of prisons.

The truth is those armed guards should not be necessary.
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Well, no ****. But we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need the 2nd amendment either!
 
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