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George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election [W:349]

Out of curiosity, did Russia "meddle" in any elections prior to 2016 or was 2016 the first time? If Russia dropped propaganda in prior elections or tried to compromise a candidate in prior elections or tried to gather election data in prior elections then were those prior elections also compromised?

Not that we know of. Russians hacked into Pentagon in 2015. It was moving so fast through the joint chiefs of staffs emails that they had to shut it down for two weeks to replace hardware and software.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/

Electric utilities are under constant threat from Russian hackers--especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases and other critical National security installations.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site

So this is Vladimir Putin's first attempt to sway and American election. I think we know enough now to say that Trump surrogates were colluding with Russian intelligence agents.

In this February 2017 video Shep Smith explains that Trump aids were on the phone with Russians, including the day that they hacked into DNC databases.



And the secret Russian meeting held in the Trump tower in June 2016.



Trump firing Comey and admitting to obstruction of Justice on National T.V. puts this one to rest.
https://youtu.be/bAW3YpPulK4
 
Not that we know of. Russians hacked into Pentagon in 2015. It was moving so fast through the joint chiefs of staffs emails that they had to shut it down for two weeks to replace hardware and software.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/

Electric utilities are under constant threat from Russian hackers--especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases and other critical National security installations.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site

So this is Vladimir Putin's first attempt to sway and American election. I think we know enough now to say that Trump surrogates were colluding with Russian intelligence agents.

In this February 2017 video Shep Smith explains that Trump aids were on the phone with Russians, including the day that they hacked into DNC databases.



And the secret Russian meeting held in the Trump tower in June 2016.



Trump firing Comey and admitting to obstruction of Justice on National T.V. puts this one to rest.
https://youtu.be/bAW3YpPulK4


What makes you think copy pasting the same two clips into multiple threads makes them more convincing over time?
 
What makes you think copy pasting the same two clips into multiple threads makes them more convincing over time?


Because over time, no one has stated that the information contained in these video's didn't happen--:lamo False information is typically debunked immediately. On the contrary--more evidence has surfaced to verify that the FOX NEWS video's in post # 351 on this thread did indeed happen.

What Trump and his aids, and you didn't know is that they were being electronically monitored and watched since 2015 by several different foreign countries that share intelligence with us.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

I don't know who is stupid enough to continually call Russian intelligence agents or have them call you, and believe that no one is listening but that is what happened. Which totally debunks all the conspiracy theories FOX NEWS is putting out about the Dossier file. Obviously the FBI was getting in information about these contacts long before the Dossier file ever showed up.

Which is undoubtedly the reason Jerad Kushner asked the Russian ambassador for a private secure line to the Kremlin.
Jared Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Russia, new report alleges | Fox News
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.fdccc86bd9dc

There are currently 2 federal grand jury indictments and 2 guilty plea deals that are certain to produce more.
 
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Over time they haven't been retracted is the reason--:lamo No one to-date has said uppps these video's are wrong it didn't happen. On the contrary more evidence has come out that these things did indeed happen.

I have some timeshares in Florida I want to sell you.
 
I have some timeshares in Florida I want to sell you.

The right wing media bubble you have been living in for the last 2 decades is getting some "yuuuuge cracks" in it. Paul Manafort has been charged with 15 criminal indictments, and is still wearing an ankle bracelet, restricted to home, church and his lawyers office. Rick Gates may be working on a plea deal with Mueller. Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn & George Papaolopdous are working with Robert Mueller. Bannon stated that the Trump administration is all about the "money laundering"--which is why Trump has refused to release any income tax returns.

Here is a good video explanation of that one.



There is a RUSSIAN interest in every corner of this administration. You screwed the pooch on this one--and it's going to haunt the Republican party from this day forward.

Republicans have two options:

1. Get a backbone and remove Trump and his Russian cohorts from office asap--or
2. Burn the entire party down in 2018, 2020 & beyond.

If Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not hard to imagine what Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & Lies when they take over in 2018.



For FOX NEWS videos on this--go back to post #351 on this thread and then post #353.
 
The right wing media bubble you have been living in for the last 2 decades is getting some "yuuuuge cracks" in it. Paul Manafort has been charged with 15 criminal indictments, and is still wearing an ankle bracelet, restricted to home, church and his lawyers office. Rick Gates may be working on a plea deal with Mueller. Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn & George Papaolopdous are working with Robert Mueller. Bannon stated that the Trump administration is all about the "money laundering"--which is why Trump has refused to release any income tax returns.

Here is a good video explanation of that one.



There is a RUSSIAN interest in every corner of this administration. You screwed the pooch on this one--and it's going to haunt the Republican party from this day forward.

Republicans have two options:

1. Get a backbone and remove Trump and his Russian cohorts from office asap--or
2. Burn the entire party down in 2018, 2020 & beyond.

If Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not hard to imagine what Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & Lies when they take over in 2018.



For FOX NEWS videos on this--go back to post #351 on this thread and then post #353.


When all you have are rumors and bull****, I guess you need to double down on that when questioned.
 
False. Bush's father voted for Hillary, GWB himself didn't vote for any of the candidates. I suspect Bush hates your hero Trump because Trump (when he was a Democrat not too long ago), railed against him and his policies for 8 years, before he decided one day to pretend to be a Republican to pander to people like you.

I am a libertarian-politicians are not heroes to me
 
I am a libertarian-politicians are not heroes to me

Agreed, but there are a few exceptions. Russ Feingold was the only man in the U.S. Senate to vote against the Unpatriot Act.
 
When all you have are rumors and bull****, I guess you need to double down on that when questioned.

Why is it like this?

I really want to know. We used to come to debates with facts and easily relatable information. But now we have people going to bat, full tilt. With nothing, but what amounts to political here say.

Yet they keep going full strength with all of it, like its actual proof.

Why?
 
Why is it like this?

I really want to know. We used to come to debates with facts and easily relatable information. But now we have people going to bat, full tilt. With nothing, but what amounts to political here say.

Yet they keep going full strength with all of it, like its actual proof.

Why?

I have no idea. That Deutsche Bank talking point was widely corrected last month but when you use MSNBC for your talking points, you don't find the corrections as easy as you do the initial headline.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-said-to-be-subpoenaed-by-mueller

Those records pertain to people affiliated with President Donald Trump, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the action hasn’t been announced. Several news outlets -- including Bloomberg -- reported yesterday that the subpoena targeted Trump and his family’s bank records, which was disputed by Trump’s personal lawyer and the White House.

“We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the president are false. No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources,” Trump’s lawyer John Dowd wrote in an email Dec. 5.
 
SIAP. I haven't read most of this thread.
(1) I don't think, for example, G.W., being amenable to undocumented immigration, makes G.W. an expert on the threats to America.
(2) The 2016 election wasn't interfered by Russia. No votes were changed by Russia in Russia's favor.
Russia attempted to persuade people to vote a certain way with computer pop-ups and other coverage. Kinda like what happened to America in the first and second world wars when foreign countries tried to influence the US (and its voters) to enter (or not enter) the Second World War. Kinda like how the press covers like a blitzkrieg (or not covers) certain news topics. What Russia did isn't anything that hasn't happened to America and its people many times before....by its own people, even.

By G.W.'s and many other politician's definitions, I'm meddling in this thread.
 
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George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election




Despite all the evidence, Trump continues to peddle the notion that Russian interference in the 2017 election is a hoax. To what degree such meddling affected the election outcome is difficult to quantify. But there is no question that Russia did meddle in various ways, and has meddled in the recent elections/referendums of many other countries. Even Trump appointed CIA Director Mike Pompeo stated last week that Russia will certainly meddle/interfere in the 2018/2020 elections.

Despite all the evidence, Donald Trump is still [purposefully] oblivious to such brazen Russian attacks.

Related: George W. Bush says Russia meddled in 2016 US election


It looks like we need some federal action on this right away. The Russians could be voting in our elections.

The Democrats can screw the Republicans now by demanding proof of citizenship and ID to prevent Russians from vote illegally in our elections..

Call your Democrat legislators and demand action NOW !!!
 
George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election




Despite all the evidence, Trump continues to peddle the notion that Russian interference in the 2017 election is a hoax. To what degree such meddling affected the election outcome is difficult to quantify. But there is no question that Russia did meddle in various ways, and has meddled in the recent elections/referendums of many other countries. Even Trump appointed CIA Director Mike Pompeo stated last week that Russia will certainly meddle/interfere in the 2018/2020 elections.

Despite all the evidence, Donald Trump is still [purposefully] oblivious to such brazen Russian attacks.

Related: George W. Bush says Russia meddled in 2016 US election

So now Bush is a hero to the left because he agrees with many here? Still waiting for how it is that that Russian meddling didn't change the minds of leftists who still voted for Hillary? Is that liberal arrogance and are you people so smart that the rhetoric from Russian couldn't dent your ideology and belief system? Interesting how superior the radical leftwing thinks they are.
 
So now Bush is a hero to the left because he agrees with many here? Still waiting for how it is that that Russian meddling didn't change the minds of leftists who still voted for Hillary? Is that liberal arrogance and are you people so smart that the rhetoric from Russian couldn't dent your ideology and belief system? Interesting how superior the radical leftwing thinks they are.

Interesting what an ostrich you are.
 
Interesting what an ostrich you are.

Sorry but a true ostrich ignores the economic data that is being generated and foreign policy successes. As stated seems that you apparently ignored the rhetoric promoted by the Russians as that is what the meddling entailed. Does that make you smarter than others and how do you prove that others voted based upon the Russian rhetoric?
 
What information does a former president have that you or I don't? You guys suddenly liking W is a hoot though.

a couple of things rev. First, we don't suddenly like Bush. "I like him therefore he's telling the truth, I don't like him therefore he's lying" is a conservative thing. And literally, the republican would cease to exist as a party without it. And second, Russia interfered in the election. In case you've missed it, you'r supposed to cheer the indictments of 13 Russians because your conservative masters are telling you it doesn't prove collusion.

But there is a downside though. Trump didn't think Russia interfered. And he has the intel. Remember the last time a republican president argued with the intel, we got 9-11

"Even as his intelligence chiefs unanimously told a Senate panel Tuesday that Russia meddled in 2016 and is planning to do so again in 2018, three sources familiar with the President's thinking say he remains unconvinced that Russia interfered in the presidential election."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/trump-unconvinced-russia-meddled-election/index.html
 
a couple of things rev. First, we don't suddenly like Bush. "I like him therefore he's telling the truth, I don't like him therefore he's lying" is a conservative thing. And literally, the republican would cease to exist as a party without it. And second, Russia interfered in the election. In case you've missed it, you'r supposed to cheer the indictments of 13 Russians because your conservative masters are telling you it doesn't prove collusion.

But there is a downside though. Trump didn't think Russia interfered. And he has the intel. Remember the last time a republican president argued with the intel, we got 9-11

"Even as his intelligence chiefs unanimously told a Senate panel Tuesday that Russia meddled in 2016 and is planning to do so again in 2018, three sources familiar with the President's thinking say he remains unconvinced that Russia interfered in the presidential election."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/trump-unconvinced-russia-meddled-election/index.html

Do you have a clue what INTERFERED means? Meddling isn't interference. Did any Russians prevent people from going to the polls? Any protest at the polls? Seems there were a lot of anti Trump protests after the election but then of course that is a different story and ok?

Your anti Trump stance is typical of leftwing radicals who want to divert from what Trump is actually accomplishing in terms of economic and foreign policy results. You care more about rhetoric than actual illegals voting. You cannot prove that any votes were changed because of Russia but we can certainly prove that illegals voted in the election and based upon the hot button issue of immigration voted for Hillary. No concern there right?

How is it that the rhetoric from the Russians didn't influence you? Are you that much smarter than everyone else who you believe was influenced by Russian rhetoric? Don't worry, I don't expect an answer.
 
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