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Man arrested in Italy in drive-by shootings of foreigners

Tigerace117 said:
Which is why those many people who think it’s justified to murder random people in the streets need to be smashed, completely and utterly. It’s not even a “cultural clash”; it’s thugs preying on decent people and counting on their skin color and Italian history to keep them safe.

Gee, what a shock. Out of a huge number of people, a handful turn out to be criminals, and news sources turn that into an epidemic to make money on the outraged bigots who are upset foreign criminals are taking the jobs of the local criminals. Boo ****ing hoo. Cry me a river.

What a joke. People who are willing to murder random strangers don’t care about that; that’s a convienent excuse to play to public opinion and present the fascists as “just defending Italy’s honor” or some bull crap. Where are these killers when a native born Italian commits a crime? Answer: nowhere, because they don’t care about the crime . They just want an excuse to shoot those they consider subhuman.
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Ya know...your tone suggests that you might be close to snapping and going on a bit of a spree yourself.
Have you any practicle experience with what Italy is going through right now?
 
Buzz62 said:
Ya know...your tone suggests that you might be close to snapping and going on a bit of a spree yourself.
Have you any practicle experience with what Italy is going through right now?
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Ya know....... your words show that you don't have a point, and are meaninglessly babbling because you lack the ability to formulate one. Perhaps you should actually try to engage what you claim passes for a mind.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Who are those people? The "many" people you say think it's "justified" to murder random people in the streets? As far as I know -- there's been ONE drive-by shooting.



You're obviously taking this too literally. As you say -- "out of a huge number of people, a handful turn out to be criminals." Don't you realize that also goes for the man who did the drive-by shooting? Out of all Italians, one did a drive-by shooting.



Again, you're blowing it WAY out of proportion. One Italian shot an innocent migrant. That one Italian has been arrested and charged with murder.

I believe the migrant who murdered and mutilated the girl has also been arrested and charged with murder.

See how that works the same for both?

I don't see anyone getting away with their crimes, do you? I do, however, see angry Italians who are now taking steps to restrict further migrants and also remove some who are there from the country. Not kill them, mind you.
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Oh really? Italian fascist groups have been murdering people since the fall of Mussolini. This is nothing new, and pretending it is is just laughable. You've got one guy--- so far--- whose actually done the killing, but plenty more who see him as a hero.

I do think it's amusing how far you've jumped to defend the Italian "nativists". You are soooooo concerned about the poor dears being exposed for the violent criminals they actually are.

Gee buddy, murdering people does have a tendency to "restrict" migrants, don't ya think?
 
Too bad the regressive left doesn't bring up the much more numerous cases where foreigners are attacking, killing and raping native people. It just doesn't fit into their narrative.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ya know....... your words show that you don't have a point, and are meaninglessly babbling because you lack the ability to formulate one. Perhaps you should actually try to engage what you claim passes for a mind.
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So the answer would be an obvious 'no'.
Got it...
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really? Italian fascist groups have been murdering people since the fall of Mussolini. This is nothing new, and pretending it is is just laughable. You've got one guy--- so far--- whose actually done the killing, but plenty more who see him as a hero.
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I don't know if you understand that you're doing the very same thing the folks you call Italian fascists are doing. They're judging a whole group of migrants because a few are raping and killing. You're doing much the same thing -- you're judging a whole group of Italians because one decided to shoot a migrant.

I do think it's amusing how far you've jumped to defend the Italian "nativists". You are soooooo concerned about the poor dears being exposed for the violent criminals they actually are.
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I'm not defending anyone. Violent people, whether they are migrants or "nativists" need to be stopped. I'm just reminding you that if you don't like that one group is being judged for its worst elements, perhaps you should stop doing the exact same thing.

Gee buddy, murdering people does have a tendency to "restrict" migrants, don't ya think?
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Of course murdering migrants would probably slowthe flow of migrants into the country. What do you think the murder of innocent young women would do? Or do you even care? The shooting of the migrant enrages you but the murder and mutilation of the young woman doesn't?

WTF?
 
Cephus said:
Too bad the regressive left doesn't bring up the much more numerous cases where foreigners are attacking, killing and raping native people. It just doesn't fit into their narrative.
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I can't figure out why he's so angry about a migrant being shot but doesn't seem to even consider the young woman who was murdered. I can't wrap my head around that kind of thinking.
 
Buzz62 said:
So the answer would be an obvious 'no'.
Got it...
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Yes, it makes quite a lot of sense that you'd refuse to find a point and continue to babble on, but it's good that you confirmed it.
 
Cephus said:
Too bad the regressive left doesn't bring up the much more numerous cases where foreigners are attacking, killing and raping native people. It just doesn't fit into their narrative.
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I know right? How dare foreigners take local rapists and murderers' jobs! Clearly, we should go find some random foreigners and string them up to protest that injustice :roll:
 
HowardBThiname said:
I don't know if you understand that you're doing the very same thing the folks you call Italian fascists are doing. They're judging a whole group of migrants because a few are raping and killing. You're doing much the same thing -- you're judging a whole group of Italians because one decided to shoot a migrant.



I'm not defending anyone. Violent people, whether they are migrants or "nativists" need to be stopped. I'm just reminding you that if you don't like that one group is being judged for its worst elements, perhaps you should stop doing the exact same thing.



Of course murdering migrants would probably slowthe flow of migrants into the country. What do you think the murder of innocent young women would do? Or do you even care? The shooting of the migrant enrages you but the murder and mutilation of the young woman doesn't?

WTF?
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I hate to burst your bubble, but even if the loony toons got their way and immigration was totally cut off, there would still be plenty of young women being murdered and raped. Your fantasy is just that--- a desperate fantasy to excuse the crimes of Italian fascists by playing the "those minorities are totally raping all the women" crap, which was an old excuse for ethnic hatred decades ago and also, just like today, hugely overblown to justify the crimes of "nativists".

Yes, I am judging them, because you are the one who brought up "culture clash". If it's part of the Italian culture to murder random strangers, then I have every right to judge them.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to burst your bubble, but even if the loony toons got their way and immigration was totally cut off, there would still be plenty of young women being murdered and raped. Your fantasy is just that--- a desperate fantasy to excuse the crimes of Italian fascists by playing the "those minorities are totally raping all the women" crap, which was an old excuse for ethnic hatred decades ago and also, just like today, hugely overblown to justify the crimes of "nativists".

Yes, I am judging them, because you are the one who brought up "culture clash". If it's part of the Italian culture to murder random strangers, then I have every right to judge them.
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Well how morally superior of you.
To ba able to pass judgement on a people, with zero experience with Italy or the situation there.
I'd have to say, you must be the most insiteful person on the planet, to be able to do that.
Either that or...you have no idea what you're talking about, and just like bleeding and virtue-signalling all over the internet.
Which is it?
 
Buzz62 said:
Well how morally superior of you.
To ba able to pass judgement on a people, with zero experience with Italy or the situation there.
I'd have to say, you must be the most insiteful person on the planet, to be able to do that.
Either that or...you have no idea what you're talking about, and just like bleeding and virtue-signalling all over the internet.
Which is it?
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Gee buddy, how "morally surperior" do you have to be to point out that murdering random innocent people is bad?

What kind of load of crap is this that you have deluded yourself into thinking that the "situation" in Italy somehow justifies said murder? ---spoiler alert--- it doesn't.

Somehow, you've managed to run all over the Internet whining about how those who oppose murdering innocent people are "virtue signaling"--- a truly pathetic position....but one which fits you to a t.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to burst your bubble, but even if the loony toons got their way and immigration was totally cut off, there would still be plenty of young women being murdered and raped. Your fantasy is just that--- a desperate fantasy to excuse the crimes of Italian fascists by playing the "those minorities are totally raping all the women" crap, which was an old excuse for ethnic hatred decades ago and also, just like today, hugely overblown to justify the crimes of "nativists".

Yes, I am judging them, because you are the one who brought up "culture clash". If it's part of the Italian culture to murder random strangers, then I have every right to judge them.
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I pointed out the culture clash as a fact, based on the reports of what's going on between the different people in Italy. I didn't make any judgements about it -- just stated what was happening. I didn't take either side, but you did. You only see one side, it appears.

That makes you identical to the people you dislike so much. They, too, see only one side.

You're part of the problem, not the solution. I don't see any reason to continue this discussion. Have a nice day.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to burst your bubble, but even if the loony toons got their way and immigration was totally cut off, there would still be plenty of young women being murdered and raped. Your fantasy is just that--- a desperate fantasy to excuse the crimes of Italian fascists by playing the "those minorities are totally raping all the women" crap, which was an old excuse for ethnic hatred decades ago and also, just like today, hugely overblown to justify the crimes of "nativists".

Yes, I am judging them, because you are the one who brought up "culture clash". If it's part of the Italian culture to murder random strangers, then I have every right to judge them.
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It's not and you don't.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee buddy, how "morally surperior" do you have to be to point out that murdering random innocent people is bad?

What kind of load of crap is this that you have deluded yourself into thinking that the "situation" in Italy somehow justifies said murder? ---spoiler alert--- it doesn't.

Somehow, you've managed to run all over the Internet whining about how those who oppose murdering innocent people are "virtue signaling"--- a truly pathetic position....but one which fits you to a t.
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How many times do I have to tell you? I am not your 'Buddy'.
Taking the law into one's own hands is a bad thing. So is rape and theft and assault. It is fairly obvious now that simply denying the collected numbers about the rise in crime across western Europe due to these refugees, is just stupid. Nations like Italy and Germany have 'no-go' zones. The native public is told not to be caught in these areas at all. Especially after dark. I don't know why anyone is shocked about this case. It was inevitable. And it's gonna get worse. Europe is splitting over this. The public is obviously at the 'tipping point' and are taking matters into their own hands. Perhaps its time for the tweenkie class to admit this was a bad idea, before a full-blown race war erupts? Because it is coming. And it serves no good purpose to sit on the other side of the pond, with absolutely no idea what the situation is like on the ground in Europe, and pass judgement on people who have been pushed too far by the very moronic idea that this refugee crisis is not happening.

It is. And its gonna get worse.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I pointed out the culture clash as a fact, based on the reports of what's going on between the different people in Italy. I didn't make any judgements about it -- just stated what was happening. I didn't take either side, but you did. You only see one side, it appears.

That makes you identical to the people you dislike so much. They, too, see only one side.

You're part of the problem, not the solution. I don't see any reason to continue this discussion. Have a nice day.
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The “culture clash” seems to be that some people think it’s acceptable to murder random foreigners, and some Americans feel the need to defend that behavior because they are obsessed with immigration.

Yes buddy, I took the side that randomly murdering foreigners is bad. I get why that would upset you so much.

You have to be joking right now. There are not two sides here. One side murdered a random immigrant and is using racial tensions and nativism as an excuse. If a foreigner randomly murdered a “native” Italian and used the killing as justification you’d be screaming bloody murder, but since you support the nativist bullcrap you are desperately trying to defend the killer by whining about a “culture clash”.

As usual, the same old **** from you. Unsurprising.
 
holbritter said:
It's not and you don't.
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Except the entire basis of the “culture clash” argument is therefore fraudulent.

And yes, I have every right to judge people who murder random strangers. Deal with it.
 
Buzz62 said:
How many times do I have to tell you? I am not your 'Buddy'.
Taking the law into one's own hands is a bad thing. So is rape and theft and assault. It is fairly obvious now that simply denying the collected numbers about the rise in crime across western Europe due to these refugees, is just stupid. Nations like Italy and Germany have 'no-go' zones. The native public is told not to be caught in these areas at all. Especially after dark. I don't know why anyone is shocked about this case. It was inevitable. And it's gonna get worse. Europe is splitting over this. The public is obviously at the 'tipping point' and are taking matters into their own hands. Perhaps its time for the tweenkie class to admit this was a bad idea, before a full-blown race war erupts? Because it is coming. And it serves no good purpose to sit on the other side of the pond, with absolutely no idea what the situation is like on the ground in Europe, and pass judgement on people who have been pushed too far by the very moronic idea that this refugee crisis is not happening.

It is. And its gonna get worse.
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What a load of crap, buddy. This was not “taking the law into one’s hands”; the victim hadn’t done anything, and certainly didn’t deserve to be murdered just because one of you racist pricks felt like killing someone.

There have been “no-go” zones in Europe for decades. This is nothing new, and again, doesn’t justify murder.

The “natives”? You mean the bands of invaders who managed to cling to the land long enough to pretend that they are better than anyone else?

Now that we’ve throughly established that you support murdering innocent people; yes, it is. And it’ll end with your fascist heroes being smashed totally, just like they were in ‘45
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except the entire basis of the “culture clash” argument is therefore fraudulent.

And yes, I have every right to judge people who murder random strangers. Deal with it.
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You used the word "them" Saying Italians murder random strangers is quite offensive. It is also racist. Congratulations.
 
holbritter said:
You used the word "them" Saying Italians murder random strangers is quite offensive. It is also racist. Congratulations.
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What a load of crap. It’s truly pathetic how you lot think shrieking “reverse racism” is a valid argument.

You are the ones explicitly defending this murder. Not only that, it is a fact that this Italian, who has quite a bit of support apparently, murdered a random stranger.

Your argument is, frankly, a colossal failure.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What a load of crap. It’s truly pathetic how you lot think shrieking “reverse racism” is a valid argument.

You are the ones explicitly defending this murder. Not only that, it is a fact that this Italian, who has quite a bit of support apparently, murdered a random stranger.

Your argument is, frankly, a colossal failure.
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Where did I defend this murderer?
Talk about colossal fail :roll:
 
Tigerace117 said:
What a load of crap, buddy. This was not “taking the law into one’s hands”; the victim hadn’t done anything, and certainly didn’t deserve to be murdered just because one of you racist pricks felt like killing someone.

There have been “no-go” zones in Europe for decades. This is nothing new, and again, doesn’t justify murder.

The “natives”? You mean the bands of invaders who managed to cling to the land long enough to pretend that they are better than anyone else?

Now that we’ve throughly established that you support murdering innocent people; yes, it is. And it’ll end with your fascist heroes being smashed totally, just like they were in ‘45
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LOL...I knew you couldn't resist another chance to bleed...

Be clear about 1 thing here. Every person drawing breath on Earth, has some racial bigotries. Those who claim they do not...are liars.
Be that as it is...Had Europe actually tried to manage the refugees rationally, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. A desire to help, that seems to over-ride the desire to maintain one's culture and society, is making it easy to convince the populace that they must sacrifice in order to help. An easy sell actually...

But as this has happened, one thing has become clear. Many of these refugees, have absolutely no interest in becoming a member of the existing culture or society. Many of them intend to take advantage of the situation and take control of the areas they live in. So much so, that Europe now is dotted with 'no-go' zones. And its a lie that these zones ever existed like this before.

The “natives”? You mean the bands of invaders who managed to cling to the land long enough to pretend that they are better than anyone else?
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Not exactly sure what you mean by this one?
If you're trying to insinuate that the Italian people are not 'native' to Italy...what can I say but...WRONG!

As for this literary exhibition of a headache...
we’ve throughly established that you support murdering innocent people; yes, it is. And it’ll end with your fascist heroes being smashed totally, just like they were in ‘45
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A. Use a spell checker.
B. Who is 'we'? I doubt 'we' are actually all delusional.
C. I'm not a fascist...try reading before you react.
D. Must you bleed so loud?
 
Tigerace117 said:
What a load of crap. It’s truly pathetic how you lot think shrieking “reverse racism” is a valid argument.

You are the ones explicitly defending this murder. Not only that, it is a fact that this Italian, who has quite a bit of support apparently, murdered a random stranger.

Your argument is, frankly, a colossal failure.
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Nobody is 'defending this murderer'!
They're saying they 'understand the motivations of the murderer'...or at least are trying to.
Which happens to be a 'wise' thing to do, when faced with...murder. Courts explore 'why' crimes are committed...maybe because its 'wise' to do so...huh?
Wisdom is a good thing. It helps people understand each other better.
 
holbritter said:
Where did I defend this murderer?
Talk about colossal fail :roll:
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Yes, as usual your colossal failure and inability to handle reality is on full display. Your weeping about how "racist" I am towards Italian fascists is merely the case in point.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, as usual your colossal failure and inability to handle reality is on full display. Your weeping about how "racist" I am towards Italian fascists is merely the case in point.
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YOU made a claim that I defended this murderer. You lied. Stop trying to deflect.
 
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