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Nunes Statemen on Release of HPSCI Memo

Lmao, your line of question led absolutely nowhere because the timeline and narrative you are trying to back in the memo - has already been destroyed by Don Jr's admission that he was in fact trying to speak to Russian operatives about Hillary Clinton's e-mails. You do realize that this is why the Mueller memo is going nowhere?

Your debating strategies are terrible. Ask a million question, pipe down when you realize you can't really contradict existing information.

What Don Jr. did or didn't do has nothing to do with who funded the Steele dossier. I know you think you are a masterful debater but your inability to focus says otherwise.
 
It did. It exposed your comment as an intentional lie.

Lmao, how?! Was Fusion GPS not paid to gather information on Trump, which they continued under payment from a law office hired by the DNC? You're desperate, Fletch.

Ive not mentioned Don Jr. You keep bringing him up to deflect from you inability to discuss anything honestly. I have no idea.

Well, the reason you haven't, is because you really don't understand just what is going on. He was the first to try to claim that this memo exonerated him, the only problem is that he's already released e-mails showing Trump campaign officials (his brother in law included) trying to meet with Russian operatives to gather information illegally obtained from Hillary's servers. Do you realize that's why the DOJ had to come out today and tell Trumpers that Mueller's investigation wasn't going away?
 
What Don Jr. did or didn't do has nothing to do with who funded the Steele dossier.

:lol: Don Jr seems to disagree with you:

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/959480550242357248

So does Mueller, and the WH:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/01/mueller-focuses-on-trump-aides-response-to-russia-meeting-nyt.html

The Washington Post reported last July that during a flight home from Germany on Air Force One, the president "personally dictated" his son's initial, misleading statement claiming the meeting was to discuss Russian adoption.

Your laser focus on the meaning of this memo has completely blinded you to the fact that Don Jr literally told on himself.
 
Lmao, how?! Was Fusion GPS not paid to gather information on Trump, which they continued under payment from a law office hired by the DNC? You're desperate, Fletch.



Well, the reason you haven't, is because you really don't understand just what is going on. He was the first to try to claim that this memo exonerated him, the only problem is that he's already released e-mails showing Trump campaign officials (his brother in law included) trying to meet with Russian operatives to gather information illegally obtained from Hillary's servers. Do you realize that's why the DOJ had to come out today and tell Trumpers that Mueller's investigation wasn't going away?
Don Jr has nothing to do with who funded the memo. Try to focus.
 
That tweet has nothing to do with who funded the dossier. Cant you read?

So does Mueller, and the WH:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/01/mueller-focuses-on-trump-aides-response-to-russia-meeting-nyt.html



Your laser focus on the meaning of this memo has completely blinded you to the fact that Don Jr literally told on himself.
Again, I have not mentioned Don Jr in our discussion. You don't seem to have a clue as to what is being discussed here so you probably should be the last person to lecture anyone on their debating skills.
 
Don Jr has nothing to do with who funded the memo. Try to focus.

That tweet has nothing to do with who funded the dossier. Cant you read?

Again, I have not mentioned Don Jr in our discussion. You don't seem to have a clue as to what is being discussed here so you probably should be the last person to lecture anyone on their debating skills.

Except of course that the memo was funded originally by the WFB. Then, the DNC, and essentially laid out the claim which Don Jr. validated through his release of e-mails. Your desperation to avoid the obvious is palpable.
 
Except of course that the memo was funded originally by the WFB. Then, the DNC, and essentially laid out the claim which Don Jr. validated through his release of e-mails. Your desperation to avoid the obvious is palpable.

I'm not desperate in the least. The issue is your dishonesty. Don Jr. said nothing about the funding of the dossier, which has been the exclusive point of our discussion. Perhaps you might engage these mad debate skills you pretend to have and focus a bit.
 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...a-steele-dossier-democrats-republicans-216921



You keep arguing against reality, Fenton. But it won't save Don Jr. It is pretty clear that Fusion begun digging up dirt under right wingers, then it picked it back up when hired under left wingers. This immediately dismisses any claim that they were 'partisans'. Which the memo tries so painfully to lay out. Secondly, it still leaves Don Jr. with e-mails dating back to June 2016 showing his role in trying to obtain illegally obtained goods.

The drums of war are marching Fenton, and you should be very afraid of what has just happened. Don Jr was the first to declare the Russia investigation over, do you realize why? Lol, because his e-mails prove he - as an official representative of the Trump campaign sought to obtain e-mails which violated about half a dozen federal laws.
Don Jr. IS...for all practical purposes, the modern day Watergate Plumber.

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E-mails posted by Fredo, err, Don Jr:

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Lol, the problem you have is that Don Jr revealed his hand long ago and that hand shows clear violations of the CFAA. Unless of course, Don Jr. really is retarded, and he didn't know that obtaining illegal information from foreign agents, who needed to break into a computer system to get it, was illegal. In which case... off to prison he should go either way.

:lol:

And as I said, what was represented for that meeting is that they had information Hillary was being bankrolled by Russian nationals. He would have to be an idiot not to check it out. He did and it was false information. What's funny is Sevaltskaya (sp) was connected with Fusion GPS at the time, it looks like she was running game on both sides at the time, or maybe just running game on Trump at Fusion's behest, I doubt we will ever know which.
 
Oh I see what you're getting at.
You're suggesting that minimal/infancy corroboration of the dossier (whatever that entails) is enough to trump what the dossier author and even Comey described as salacious & unverified.
That would mean it was reliable enough to be used as an "essential part of the Carter Page FISA application" and "cited extensively" therein.
Let's assume that's true, that would make it more imperative that the source of the information be fully disclosed.
Yet apparently the source of the dossier was given as Steele and Yahoo news (as though 2 distinct sources ... but they weren't) - no mention that it was a opposition research paid for by the DNC/Hillary "even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials."

I'm sorry you find yourself in a position where you're inclined to defend what went on here but there's no excuse for what they did.
I wouldn't feel too sorry for me there, because I'm not feeling any remourse.

1] Comey never called the dossier "salicious & unverified", despite Nunes' and the GOP's partisan claims here. He said "parts" were salicious and unverified. You've got to remember the "document" really isn't a "dossier". Nor is it a report. Instead it is thirty-odd separate raw intelligence documents, acquired over six months, bundled together in one folder.

2] The FBI admitted to the judge that the dossier was a political document, despite that Nunes' and the GOP omitted that fact in the memo as well. HRC was not named specifically, but the judges were aware of it's political context.

The memo is a partisan political document of omission. To have better understanding through context, you may consider waiting for the Democrat memo providing the omissions that Nunes' and the GOP on't want you to see (for good reason).
 
And as I said, what was represented for that meeting is that they had information Hillary was being bankrolled by Russian nationals. He would have to be an idiot not to check it out. He did and it was false information. What's funny is Sevaltskaya (sp) was connected with Fusion GPS at the time, it looks like she was running game on both sides at the time, or maybe just running game on Trump at Fusion's behest, I doubt we will ever know which.
You are trying to cover desperately for what we know was a meeting to discuss illegally obtained emails and then pretending you know what actually happened at the meeting based on the words of people caught lying about the purpose of the meeting. Congratulations, you've essentially demonstrated why birthers voted for Trump.

Sent from Donald Trump's Twitter account using Vladimir Putin's computer.
 
You are trying to cover desperately for what we know was a meeting to discuss illegally obtained emails and then pretending you know what actually happened at the meeting based on the words of people caught lying about the purpose of the meeting. Congratulations, you've essentially demonstrated why birthers voted for Trump.

Sent from Donald Trump's Twitter account using Vladimir Putin's computer.

I am not reading that from the information or the email at all. Please point it out?
 
1] Comey never called the dossier "salicious & unverified", despite Nunes' and the GOP's partisan claims here. He said "parts" were salicious and unverified. You've got to remember the "document" really isn't a "dossier". Nor is it a report. Instead it is thirty-odd separate raw intelligence documents, acquired over six months, bundled together in one folder.

Comey didn't say "parts".

The IC leadership thought it important, for a variety of reasons, to alert the
incoming President to the existence of this material, even though it was salacious
and unverified. Among those reasons were: (1) we knew the media was about to
publicly report the material and we believed the IC should not keep knowledge of
the material and its imminent release from the President-Elect; and (2) to the
extent there was some effort to compromise an incoming President, we could blunt
any such effort with a defensive briefing.​

Now, if you choose to, you may infer he was only referring to the hooker parts but then you'd have to infer that the rest of the dossier was solid ... but the overriding collusion charge within has still not been verified.
I'm aware that Steele compiled the dossier from a series of individual findings/memos written during the investigation that he started immediately in June when he was hired ... but I'm not sure why it matters that it was a compilation.
What would matter to the FISC is who paid for it, and it would have been quite easy to include that in the application unless .............

2] The FBI admitted to the judge that the dossier was a political document, despite that Nunes' and the GOP omitted that fact in the memo as well. HRC was not named specifically, but the judges were aware of it's political context.

Sorry, but calling it "political" is no substitute for neglecting to mention it was paid for by Trump's opponent. Is it?
The 1st warrant application would have been a good time to mention it ...
b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named US person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a US. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOI at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of – and paid by – the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.​

The memo is a partisan political document of omission. To have better understanding through context, you may consider waiting for the Democrat memo providing the omissions that Nunes' and the GOP on't want you to see (for good reason).

The FISA applications were the documents of omission.
Finally, there's been nothing stopping the Democrat memo other than the Democrats reluctance to follow the same procedure the Republicans followed. Swalwell and Schiff should never be believed without corroboration.

The solution is to get all the relevant documents released to see what the facts are. Right?
It should be noted that the Democrats resisted the subpoena to the FBI for the relevant documents.
Are they on board with looking at the underlying documents now?
 
Which straws are being grasped at? Don't worry, I'll wait.

Its rather obvious what I was pointing out. Seeing as one started far before the other, how can this dossier be used to discredit an investigation, that didn't even start with close to the same reason.
I even say this to the conservatives that think it will derail the investigation. It wont and there is no reason to believe that this is what it was meant for.
 
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