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West Virginia aims to be 'sanctuary state' ... for gun rights

apdst said:
Commission of a crime isn't private information. In fact, failing to report a crime is obstruction of justice.
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An employer who already knows for a fact he or she has hired an illegal immigrant is already guilty of a crime.

Most of the time, employers aren't in a position to make that determination in the first place so your point is moot. Releasing my private information because you think that I may have potentially committed some crime is not acceptable.

A police officer walks into your boss's office and says "give me all the info you have on apdst. Employment records, his pay stubs, his social security number, address, when he takes sick days, customer complaints against him..."

No warrant. You're ok with your boss gibing that out?
 
apdst said:
Commission of a crime isn't private information. In fact, failing to report a crime is obstruction of justice.
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So did the employer knowingly commit a crime when they hired and harbored the employee? Or did they just not check deeply enough and therefore claim ignorance about the employee's immigration status? If the first, then the employer should go to jail as well, and if the second, the employer has no business releasing private information and is in fact violating employment law.
 
Without knowing all the legal angles yet, I think it's a great idea for a state to pilot, similar to WA & CO doing so with pot.

I hope they do it so that we can see how it plays out.

And then I hope it's successful and AZ adopts it because that's where I'm planning on retiring.
 
SMTA said:
They can do whatever they want as long as they're laws do not conflict with federal laws.
This means that they are full of crap. All bark, no bite.
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Sanctuary cities are doing it for immigration. WA & CO did it with pot, albeit with tacit non-enforcement from the feds.
 
trblmkr said:
So did the employer knowingly commit a crime when they hired and harbored the employee? Or did they just not check deeply enough and therefore claim ignorance about the employee's immigration status? If the first, then the employer should go to jail as well, and if the second, the employer has no business releasing private information and is in fact violating employment law.
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If the employer knew he was hiring an illegal alien, then yes.

If the employer knows a person is illegal, he has a responsibility to inform law enforcement, just like he would if he had knowledge of any other crime.
 
apdst said:
If the employer knew he was hiring an illegal alien, then yes.

If the employer knows a person is illegal, he has a responsibility to inform law enforcement, just like he would if he had knowledge of any other crime.
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IF the employer knows the person is illegal, he is complicit.

So why would he inform LE?
 
Lursa said:
IF the employer knows the person is illegal, he is complicit.

So why would he inform LE?
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To keep from being complicit even further. People do it all the time.

But, be that as it may, it isn't a crime to cooperate with law enforcement. Although, California wants to make it so.
 
apdst said:
To keep from being complicit even further. People do it all the time.

But, be that as it may, it isn't a crime to cooperate with law enforcement. Although, California wants to make it so.
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Sooooo, wouldnt the authorities question how and why the employee was hired to begin with? And request the required paperwork?

Do you think the employer would not be fined or otherwise charged?

As such, where is the incentive to 'cooperate' if not under duress?
 
Lursa said:
Sooooo, wouldnt the authorities question how and why the employee was hired to begin with? And request the required paperwork?

Do you think the employer would not be fined or otherwise charged?

As such, where is the incentive to 'cooperate' if not under duress?
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Perhaps, but cooperating with law enforcement isn't a crime. Unless you're in California.
 
SMTA said:
They can do whatever they want as long as they're laws do not conflict with federal laws.
This means that they are full of crap. All bark, no bite.
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Kinda like states legalizing pot regardless of Federal law?
 
The federal government has no proper power trying to enforce say a ban on machine guns if the MG is made in West Virginia and owned in West Virginia. I'd like to see dozens of states telling the federal government that the dishonest NFA has no application on weapons or suppressors made and sold and owned within a sovereign state
 
Polar Bum said:
Kinda like states legalizing pot regardless of Federal law?
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same idea, the federal government has no proper power criminalizing weed raised, and consumed within the borders of a sovereign state
 
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