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Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again[W:292]

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Cardinal said:
Do you think the President should be allowed to use the Justice Department to persecute his political rivals?
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I suspect one would need a constitutional amendment to render a President unable to do so. It is an executive department and he is charged with faithfully executing the law.

Perhaps, if anything comes of it, Hillary's team can work up something about it is not faithful execution of the law, since "lock her up!" was his thing for quite a while.....
 
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Cardinal said:
Considering past history, I'd rather not say.



In other words, failing for even a whataboutism post, you're unable to demonstrate that the Obama ordered the DOJ to go after his political rivals or give preferential treatment to his friends.



Do you believe that the President should be able to order the DOJ to investigate his political rivals? Yes or no.
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Oh thats rich. Obama ordered his DOJ to do the exact opposite, to exonerate a Political ally, but since it was Hillary and it was done in the interest of the Democratic party, you people didnt seem to mind

Sessions reopening a investigation that was clearly compromised ? Now thats crossing the line.

Wow, the level level of arrogance it took to follow through with what was so obviously a show trial.

Hell, James Comey was tweeting about " ethical leadership ", he was quoting the bible just a couple of weeks ago. The sheer arrogance, these people deserve everything thats coming their way
 
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Fenton said:
Oh thats rich. Obama ordered his DOJ to do the exact opposite, to exonerate a Political ally, but since it was Hillary and it was done in the interest of the Democratic party, you people didnt seem to mind

Sessions reopening a investigation that was clearly compromised ? Now thats crossing the line.

Wow, the level level of arrogance it took to follow through with what was so obviously a show trial.

Hell, James Comey was tweeting about " ethical leadership ", he was quoting the bible just a couple of weeks ago. The sheer arrogance, these people deserve everything thats coming their way
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Allright, what's the actual quote - not snipped from any surrounding context - that you're characterizing as some kind of order to exonerate?
 
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Fenton said:
Oh thats rich. Obama ordered his DOJ to do the exact opposite, to exonerate a Political ally,
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Link?
 
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Winston said:
I'm uninterested in the Clinton's anymore because they are out of power. I believe they should be held to the same standard as regular folk, but their personal lives and private lives are of zero consequence to this country anymore.
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Agreed. Regular folk would face charges, imo.
 
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Mr Person said:
My paraphrase was accurate. The bolded, in context, shows that I was absolutely right to say that he indicated that the other cases contained aggravating factors not present here, and that - not "recommended charges" vs "prosecuted - is the heart of my point:



Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now. As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system






So what's the next move in your game-playing? To claim you still "won" something because I thought he'd said "recommended" when instead he said "prosecuted"?

Play games elsewhere. FFS, it is tiring.
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I think it was clearly intentional to set up a server and willfully use it to mishandle classified information.
 
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Cardinal said:
Yes, because people feel great about challenging an incumbent or candidate who will open investigations into them if they lose. That is definitely an identifying hallmark of a modern Democracy. Your pro-autocratic sympathies are depressing, though no longer surprising.
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If they have nothing to hide, it shouldn't matter to them.
 
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holbritter said:
If they have nothing to hide, it shouldn't matter to them.
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So are you moving straight ahead to "Yes, it's fine for the President to use the justice department to go after his political rivals"?
 
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Harshaw said:
Given what the story actually says, explain exactly how "democracy" is threatened.
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To explain the obvious , third world tin pot dictators use the military and the police to destroy their political rivals. Does that put things into clearity for you?
 
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Rich123 said:
To explain the obvious , third world tin pot dictators use the military and the police to destroy their political rivals. Does that put things into clearity for you?
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Third-world tin-pot dictators eat lunch, too. So, no, it doesn't put anything into "clearity."
 
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Cardinal said:
So are you moving straight ahead to "Yes, it's fine for the President to use the justice department to go after his political rivals"?
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If you see it that way, fine. But that's not the statement I replied to. I dislike attempts at "in other word" gotchas, so please don't.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Absolutely amazing. And I'm not sure if trump supporters understand how absolutely dangerous this kind of behavior is. If Trump would have won the election, appointed some good people in to places in the judicial branch, and they saw evidence to go after Clinton, then so be it. If they could provide facts that prove she broke laws, so be it. Get her.

Instead, what has happened, is Trump won and immediately started squelching the whole "lock her up" fervor that he helped to start. He came right out and said "that plays well before the election but not after". He essentially said out loud that this was just campaign banter. And it wasn't brought up again... until Trumps ass was on the burner. Everytime a trump surrogate is indicted or pleads guilty, or every time a new lie is found by trump officials, or every time a new fact comes out, they respond by attacking the person that he beat and is no longer in charge of anything. It's as plain and clear as it gets. This is a diversion. No more, no less. If Trumps presidency were going swimmingly they would never even mention Hillary's name.

This is the equivalent of Obama waiting 8 months in to his presidency, it turning out to be a boondoggle of epic proportions, and then announcing that they are starting an investigation in to war crimes on the Bush administration and that's where the real crimes are.


This is officially over. People have no more excuses. Trump is tweeting nuclear threats across the globe without a second thought, against the advice of every expert and general in the country. He's not well. He's dangerous. This will not end well.
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Yes rough draft. You are saying the truth. We live in the shaddows of nuclear war with either North Korea or Iran because Trump and Pompeo would like to have both. That's the freightening truth. Trump because he wants anything that would divert our attention away from his engagements with Putin and Pompeo because this is in line with what he always has advocated for. I don't blame people for holding onto their partisan feelings. We all do that. But now it's America in the cross hairs. At some point we have to put America first. Please!
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Cardinal said:
Do you think the President should be allowed to use the Justice Department to persecute his political rivals?

If you think this is a demonstration of irony, then please cite an example of a previous President telling the Justice Department to investigate his political rivals. We'll wait.
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KEEEEP WAITING! They might have to go back to NIXON for an attempt anyway.
 
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Fishking said:
What's dangerous about prosecuting a criminal? Hey, maybe they can get the verbiage changed back to what it was rightfully stated as "grossly negligent" from "extremely careless." that the compromised Hillary sycophant, Agent Strzok, had changed from the original report. Eh? Wouldn't it be amazing to actually have an elite held accountable like the rest of us plebs?
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From your previous posts it appears you don't want Trump to be held accountable for anything and then you say this?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
More like: how will they blow it? Telling folks that their paychecks are not really any bigger after the tax cuts for the rich, that the economy was ruined by Trump even if their 401Ks are growing, that the rich (except any rich demorats) are robbing them blind, the KKK is backing the republicant NAZIs, police are killing thousands of unarmed black chillrens every day (and blaming it on thugs) or that "free" medical care, "free" college and a middle class "living wage" from a part-time McJob are guaranteed if they vote for the one with a vagina are all possibilities.
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They won't tell people their paychecks aren't bigger. That $35 per pay a lot of people will be getting in their paychecks won't be missed, I'm sure.
 
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Mr Person said:
Allright, what's the actual quote - not snipped from any surrounding context - that you're characterizing as some kind of order to exonerate?
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Either the FBI and DOJ under Obama were rogue which means he was a terrible leader and just couldnt be bothered, or the order to set up a show trial that was always meant to exonerate Hillary came from him.
 
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Fenton said:
Either the FBI and DOJ under Obama were rogue which means he was a terrible leader and just couldnt be bothered, or the order to set up a show trial that was always meant to exonerate Hillary came from him.
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No quote, then? Just more "I hate the left" flavored bull****?
 
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Fenton said:
Either the FBI and DOJ under Obama were rogue which means he was a terrible leader and just couldnt be bothered, or the order to set up a show trial that was always meant to exonerate Hillary came from him.
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So in other words, your claim that "Obama ordered his DOJ to do the exact opposite, to exonerate a Political ally" was complete and utter bull****. How utterly shocking.
 
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holbritter said:
If you see it that way, fine. But that's not the statement I replied to. I dislike attempts at "in other word" gotchas, so please don't.
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Which thread do you think you're in right now, and what do you think the topic is? If you're acceptable with the President ordering an investigation into his political rivals under the pretext that "If they have nothing to hide, it shouldn't matter to them," then you're fine with the principle of Presidents ordering investigation into their political rivals.
 
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Fenton said:
Oh I think he's definately found something.

The NYTs made that pretty clear when they ran that Papadopolis article over the weekend.

It was a ridicilous attempt at revisionism that tried to minimize the influence the dossier played in the investigation and the Left ran with it.

We are supposed to forget everything thats been reported on Carte Page over the last year, forget the CNN article from April which tied the dossie to the FISA request and shift our focus to a manufactured narrative that involves a drunken Papadopolis and a Australian diplomat

The NYTs thinks their readers are morons apparently. That article shows just how toxic the dossiers become
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I agree with your post. The drunken Papadopolis story was a hoot especially when you have Clapper on tape saying the name Papadopolis was never on his list of people of interest.

Look I think there are several bad actors in this steamy mess and those out there spinning themselves silly have something to hide and know damn well they have been found out.

You got Comey on twitter with his cryptic messages. Personally, I think Comey is in trouble along with McCabe, Strzok, Lisa Page and a couple other elites in the handling of both the Clinton email investigation and the Trump/Russian investigation. And the same goes for the DOJ.

Fusion GPS is in trouble and I believe we will learn the names of the media that was part of their team in getting out the Trump Dossier to the public. Bet you NYT's is on that list who Fusion paid.

You have the Democrats on Committees crying foul that do not want the investigation to end claiming more witnesses need to be called. They were so hoping to milk this through the 2018 elections. And they don't want the American people to learn the truth before the elections. Remember during one of the hearings Sen. Graham said everything that could be spinned into being derogatory for Trump had been leaked but the one thing the Democrats didn't leak is that Comey told Trump he was not under investigation. And there is an open investigation into the Intelligence Committee in the House that was leaking to the press during Trump Jr.'s testimony trying to put a derogatory spin out there even before he was finished testifying. All fingers are pointing to Schiff. Now there's a weasel if ever there was one.

I am glad the DOJ and FBI will be turning over the requested documents in regard to the Trump dossier. This is a sign that IG Horowitz is close to completion of his investigation and all that is basically left is to write his report and I don't think the left is going to like "the rest of the story".
 
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Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Rich123 said:
To explain the obvious , third world tin pot dictators use the military and the police to destroy their political rivals. Does that put things into clearity for you?
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They also use their the power and authority to persecute the Political opposition and innocent citzens and shut down Political dissent

Obama's decision to sic the IRS on Conservative Americans was text book banana republic intimidation, but he didnt stop there.

Eric Holder designated a American journalist ( James Rosen ) as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage Act and then hacked into his Email and phone records.
The Obama DOJ also hacked into the phone records of 20 AP reporters

In May of 2016, the Obama DOJ admitted to FISA that it had been conducting illegal upstream searches on American citizens for that last 6 years.

After all of that, the idea that the Obama administration would collude with the Hillary campaign and the DNC to produce opposition research which was then used to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the political opposition doesnt really sound far fetched.

You people never had a problem with Obama's egregious abuse of power, so spare us the selective and manufactured outrage over Sessions looking into Hillary's emails
 
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Fenton said:
Obama's decision to sic the IRS on Conservative Americans was text book banana republic intimidation, but he didnt stop there.
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Just going through the motions here because obviously you won't be able substantiate that claim and everybody here knows it, but care to link to that decision?
 
 
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