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Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again[W:292]

Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

EMNofSeattle said:
I don’t view prosecution for an actual crime to be persecution
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And as we all know, Banana Republic dictators are completely unable to cite a reason for persecuting their political rivals.
 
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Harshaw said:
No one has to "just *know*" she's guilty. Comey laid out specifically that she IS guilty of a crime which requires no intent, but said he doesn't recommend prosecution because she didn't have intent. He also said that someone other than Hillary Clinton may well have been prosecuted for the same thing. That's Comey saying all this, July, 2016.
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You're omitting something rather important: the FBI said that it had never recommended charges against someone in Hillary's position, that the only time it had recommended charges is where various other aggravating factors present. Not one single person screaming about jail has ever showed that to be somehow false.

Like cases should be treated alike.

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tres borrachos said:
Do you think that before I die I will see the day that Hillary Clinton isn't living rent free in the heads of Trump and his alt-right fan base?

Nobody cares about her anymore, except the people who get up every morning and the first thing that pops into their heads is "Hillary". Freaking sad.
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Talk to Cardinal. He brought it up.
 
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Harshaw said:
Talk to Cardinal. He brought it up.
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No, I'm talking about the people who are taking action on Clinton. That isn't Cardinal. I don't believe he is in the Justice Department.
 
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tres borrachos said:
No, Comey said that there was no criminal wrongdoing. He said she was careless. Being careless isn't a crime.
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Uhh when the carelessness involves top secret information vital to national security it sure sure as **** is
 
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Mr Person said:
You're omitting something rather important: the FBI said that it had never recommended charges against someone in Hillary's position, that the only time it had recommended charges is where various other aggravating factors present. Not one single person screaming about jail has ever showed that to be somehow false.

Like cases should be treated alike.

:shrug:
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In other words, the FBI politically shelters the elite and now Trump is draining the swamp. The elite are sheltered no more
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

EMNofSeattle said:
Uhh when the carelessness involves top secret information vital to national security it sure sure as **** is
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Is that your legal opinion? And what happened to our national security?
 
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Cardinal said:
And as we all know, Banana Republic dictators are completely unable to cite a reason for persecuting their political rivals.
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Complete non sequiter, if charges were brought against Hillary she has the right to a jury trial

No one suggested she get an Argentine helicopter tour, people don’t go to prison because POTUS says so
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Complete non sequiter
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Not a non sequitur. For some reason you believe that an anti-democratic action is acceptable so long as you make a facile justification for it.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Do you think that before I die I will see the day that Hillary Clinton isn't living rent free in the heads of Trump and his alt-right fan base?

Nobody cares about her anymore, except the people who get up every morning and the first thing that pops into their heads is "Hillary". Freaking sad.
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I guess some just have more integrity than others.
 
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Cardinal said:
This is a dangerous red line we're crossing now. If this sets any kind of precedent, our standing as a Democracy will be in serious question.
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And they use Brian Fallon as their expert opinion, no less!

The DOJ investigates potential crimes, not the least of which are cases where there is a breech of national security. As the spineless Comey left it the laws prohibiting the release of classified data was essentially unenforceable as it would allow the use of incompetence and the only necessary defense for disclosing classified data. In fact Comey's determination was that Hillary's incompetence absolved her of criminal liability!

But , sure, another reason for you to scream about the end of Democracy.. :roll:
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
In other words, the FBI politically shelters the elite and now Trump is draining the swamp. The elite are sheltered no more
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How many of you understand that the FBI's recommendation to or not to charge is non-binding? If you didn't know you should have deduced it from the report that the DOJ is reopening its investigation. Sessions can seek to convene a grand jury regardless of what the FBI wants. Nobody was ever "sheltered".

If you want to make a serious point, then do a ton of research into other cases and find at least one where someone did the same thing as Hillary without any aggravating factors and was in fact charged (convicted would be even better). If you cannot do that then you cannot cry special treatment.

Again, one of the very most fundamental principles in law is that like cases should be treated alike.





Would it be wrong of me to hope that the next D admin goes after your current R favorites, just so I see the 180 degree pivot from countless posters?

I'll bet you'll suddenly get what cardinal was talking about then. The hallmark of a dictatorship is that the establishment's enemies are jailed. We may not be there quite yet but why celebrate stepping closer?
 
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Cardinal said:
To head off the predictable response, an "Obama-Justice Department" decision does not equal an order from Obama.
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LOL. You headed off your own thread in the process, there, chief! :lamo
 
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jmotivator said:
And they use Brian Fallon as their expert opinion, no less!

The DOJ investigates potential crimes,
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Yes, but not at the direction of the sitting President. There is a traditional barrier between the President and the DOJ, and for good reason. If didn't know that or are unable to understand why that barrier has existed up til now, I don't even want to know what they weren't teaching you in political science classes.
 
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Harshaw said:
Given what the story actually says, explain exactly how "democracy" is threatened.
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Indeed.

My initial reaction to the post was that democracy would be threatened if we didn't make sure that the principal of 'Equality before the law' is upheld and ensured, considering that Hillary's fix was in from the very beginning, as shown by the exoneration memo being written before the interviews, the immunity deals given (applicable to people who have committed crimes?), and this 'insurance' put in place at the highest levels of the FBI.

Indeed. There is much to question about such actions from agencies who's staff are sworn to support and defend the Constitution.
 
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jmotivator said:
LOL. You headed off your own thread in the process, there, chief! :lamo
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It was going there anyway, and as predicted nobody has been able to justify Trump's actions by citing a previous example of the President order the Justice Department to go after political rivals. This means that you must defend the current President's actions on its own merits instead of resorting to whataboutism.
 
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Cardinal said:
Do you think the President should be allowed to use the Justice Department to persecute his political rivals?
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She's not being persecuted and she's not his political rival.
 
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Cardinal said:
You're completely unable to state whether or not you believe the President should order the Justice Department to investigate his political rivals?
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I answered your question the first time you asked it.

But tell me, when did any President do such a thing?
 
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Harshaw said:
Given what the story actually says, explain exactly how "democracy" is threatened.
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Because reopening the investigation may unseat a non-sitting almost President! :lamo
 
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tres borrachos said:
Is that your legal opinion? And what happened to our national security?
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Yes it is, and 110 classified emails were illegally stored on a non government server in violation of the federal criminal code
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Cardinal said:
Not a non sequitur. For some reason you believe that an anti-democratic action is acceptable so long as you make a facile justification for it.
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I believe it is acceptable to bring someone to trial if they violated the law.

So is the ongoing and largely discredited Russia probe “anti democratic”?
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Mr Person said:
You're omitting something rather important: the FBI said that it had never recommended charges against someone in Hillary's position, that the only time it had recommended charges is where various other aggravating factors present.
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That was not what he said. He didn't say anything about previously "recommending charges."
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Cardinal said:
Besides the action itself being flagrantly Banana Republic, there's the danger of setting precedent.
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Here's the precedent that was set. The FBI wrote a letter clearing Hillary before she was even interviewed AND they changed the language in that letter from something that would be a violation of the pertinent statutes to reflect a lower culpability. On top of that there is evidence that senior officials in the FBI may have assisted the Clinton campaign in collecting and establishing opposition research against Trump.
 
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Winston said:
So, Trump, like his supporters, believes he can "But, Hillary" his way out of anything.
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How would this get him out of anything? It won't, not to worry. What it will do is hold people accountable. And yeah, I know she's not 'in it' anymore, but that doesn't meant she should get off scott free.
 
Re: Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

Cardinal said:
It was going there anyway, and as predicted nobody has been able to justify Trump's actions by citing a previous example of the President order the Justice Department to go after political rivals. This means that you must defend the current President's actions on its own merits instead of resorting to whataboutism.
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It does reopen a case where a president actively participated in a breach of national security, though, and whose DOJ met with the husband of an investigation target prior to the FBI refusing to follow a law that it admitted was broken by the subject of the investigation.

Now, if it makes you happy, the DOJ will likely also reopen the case of the IRS targeting of Obama's political rivals.

Also, pretty funny how YOU start a thread about reopening the Hillary case and then bitch about "whataboutism". :lamo
 
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