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BREAKING: Senator Lindsey Graham Just Confirmed The Steele Dossier Was Used For 2016 FISA Warrant

Rogue Valley said:
The conservativetreehouse.com? :lol:
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Would Washington Examiner be more credible?

According to Lindsey Graham he learned something Friday that provoked him to state there needs to be a special counsel on the Trump Dossier alone in the way the Obama FBI and DOJ used it.

"I've spent some time in the last couple of days, after a lot of fighting with the Department of Justice, to get the background on the dossier, and here's what I can tell your viewers: I'm very disturbed about what the Department of Justice did with this dossier, and we need a special counsel to look into that, because that's not in Mueller's charter. And what I saw, and what I've gathered in the last couple of days, bothers me a lot, and I'd like somebody outside DOJ to look into how this dossier was handled and what they did with it."

Lindsey Graham: We need new special counsel — just for Trump dossier
 
vesper said:
Would Washington Examiner be more credible?

According to Lindsey Graham he learned something Friday that provoked him to state there needs to be a special counsel on the Trump Dossier alone in the way the Obama FBI and DOJ used it.

"I've spent some time in the last couple of days, after a lot of fighting with the Department of Justice, to get the background on the dossier, and here's what I can tell your viewers: I'm very disturbed about what the Department of Justice did with this dossier, and we need a special counsel to look into that, because that's not in Mueller's charter. And what I saw, and what I've gathered in the last couple of days, bothers me a lot, and I'd like somebody outside DOJ to look into how this dossier was handled and what they did with it."

Lindsey Graham: We need new special counsel — just for Trump dossier
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I heard Graham will be changing his name to Linoslav Grahamski ..................
 
All that is old is new again?

Washington (CNN)The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump's campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.

The dossier has also been cited by FBI Director James Comey in some of his briefings to members of Congress in recent weeks, as one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation, according to US officials briefed on the probe.

This includes approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page, two of the officials said. Last year, Page was identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser on national security.

FBI used dossier allegations to bolster Trump-Russia investigation - Tue April 18, 2017
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Mach said:
Where is your evidence it was? *crickets*


You seem to be struggling with basic English.

conjecture:
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

investigate:
carry out research or study into (a subject, typically one in a scientific or academic field) so as to discover facts or information.

Looks like the only time you would logically ever need to investigate, is when you have incomplete information. To investigate when you have complete information, would be absurd and nonsensical.

You claim that investigation should NEVER occur if you have incomplete information.

Why are you making absurd claims? (Fox news told you to).
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Why are you tossing out straw mans? I didn't use the word NEVER, I didn't make your nonsense claim about incomplete information.

Secondly we are talking legal investigation, not academic, quit using invalid definitions.

What I am claiming is the dossier should not be taken at face value and all information in it should be corroborated piece by piece and subpoenas should be issued for corroborated information. A suppositional piece of information like that should be leverage for a warrant, not the sole determinant of one.

Don't twist, quit trying to smokescreen, and just evaluate the words that are actually there.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Not really. But I'll humor you. From today's Examiner....

Lindsey Graham: Robert Mueller 'the right guy at the right time'
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And your point? You don't have one. Graham stated that the dossier was not in Mueller's investigation that it needs its own special counsel. My thoughts are the investigation ongoing by the Inspector General of elite members of the DOJ and FBI which in part is over the handling of the Trump Dossier is so explosive that in his recommendations I will not be surprised of a list of those charged criminally and others fired. I personally believe the reason the FBI and DOJ have not been willing to turn over certain documents in regard to the Dossier is because the Inspector General has asked them to delay.

You see if it is as damning as I think it is for Obama's DOJ and FBI, I understand the delay of turning over the documents to Congress because the information would no doubt be leaked and it becomes a partisan hayday. If it remains in the hands of the Inspector General till he releases his report in March his report isn't compromised.

Evidently new info was released just days ago that caused Graham to call for a Special Counsel over the Trump Dossier alone!

Look if it is true that Obama's DOJ and FBI dressed that Trump Dossier up as counter intelligence to get FISA Warrants on the Trump Campaign and Transition Team the **** is going to hit the fan. All the phone conversations they were spying on and all the Americans they were unmasking in the process. Tsk Tsk. Opposition research paid for by the Clinton Campaign and DNC, that was gathered by a foreign ex British spy using Russian operatives tight with the Kremlin as sources not only reeks of hypocrisy but absolute abuse and the biggest scandal this country has ever seen. It is going to make Watergate look like child's play.
 
vesper said:
And your point? You don't have one. Graham stated that the dossier was not in Mueller's investigation that it needs its own special counsel. My thoughts are the investigation ongoing by the Inspector General of elite members of the DOJ and FBI which in part is over the handling of the Trump Dossier is so explosive that in his recommendations I will not be surprised of a list of those charged criminally and others fired. I personally believe the reason the FBI and DOJ have not been willing to turn over certain documents in regard to the Dossier is because the Inspector General has asked them to delay.

You see if it is as damning as I think it is for Obama's DOJ and FBI, I understand the delay of turning over the documents to Congress because the information would no doubt be leaked and it becomes a partisan hayday. If it remains in the hands of the Inspector General till he releases his report in March his report isn't compromised.

Evidently new info was released just days ago that caused Graham to call for a Special Counsel over the Trump Dossier alone!

Look if it is true that Obama's DOJ and FBI dressed that Trump Dossier up as counter intelligence to get FISA Warrants on the Trump Campaign and Transition Team the **** is going to hit the fan. All the phone conversations they were spying on and all the Americans they were unmasking in the process. Tsk Tsk. Opposition research paid for by the Clinton Campaign and DNC, that was gathered by a foreign ex British spy using Russian operatives tight with the Kremlin as sources not only reeks of hypocrisy but absolute abuse and the biggest scandal this country has ever seen. It is going to make Watergate look like child's play.
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I guess you haven't been paying attention to recent revelations that it wasn't the Steele report that triggered the FBI investigation, but George Papadopoulos and his drunken bragging in a London bar with Australian diplomats, whom reported his statements of his knowledge of the Kremlin having stolen emails on the DNC/Clinton.

I know you won't admit you (as well other conservatives) were wrong about your belief that the Steele report was the basis for the investigation. Conservatives have a knack for continuing to spread lies long after they are exposed, so I don't expect this to be any different.

It's becoming very clear though that officials in the Trump campaign were aware of Russian meddling in the election, and were privy to knowledge that even the FBI was unaware of. That points to either the Trump campaign being privy to a conspiracy to undermine a federal election, or participants themselves. Either way it's easily the highest criminal offense this country has ever seen in high office.

There will be more people indicted for their part in this conspiracy.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Even if it's fake, it doesn't matter. If the whole dossier is fake, it wasn't known when the FISA ruling was issued, and so the warrant was in good faith. That makes everything learned from the warrant completely admissible in what at this point looks like Trump's nearly certain trail. (The spin machine is really powering up right now in Rightyville. Someone is real goddamn nervous.)

But to the legal issues, if someone lies the police that they saw you hauling dead bodies into your apartment, they can and will get a warrant to search your home. If they don't find dead bodies, but they do find a meth lab --you're still getting charged for manufacturing meth.

Seriously, if the shoe were on the other foot and a Republican president thought a Democrat was doing a deal with Russia.... Haha, yeah, right. I'm sure on their honor they'd be angry at a Republican who looked into a Democrat. The other part is... So what? The orange cheeto is still president. So even in the worst case, Obama didn't do anything to stop Trump.
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The desperation of trying to render wiretap evidence inadmissible is palpable. There is obviously something on those tapes that is incriminating.
 
vesper said:
And your point? You don't have one. Graham stated that the dossier was not in Mueller's investigation that it needs its own special counsel. My thoughts are the investigation ongoing by the Inspector General of elite members of the DOJ and FBI which in part is over the handling of the Trump Dossier is so explosive that in his recommendations I will not be surprised of a list of those charged criminally and others fired. I personally believe the reason the FBI and DOJ have not been willing to turn over certain documents in regard to the Dossier is because the Inspector General has asked them to delay.

You see if it is as damning as I think it is for Obama's DOJ and FBI, I understand the delay of turning over the documents to Congress because the information would no doubt be leaked and it becomes a partisan hayday. If it remains in the hands of the Inspector General till he releases his report in March his report isn't compromised.

Evidently new info was released just days ago that caused Graham to call for a Special Counsel over the Trump Dossier alone!

Look if it is true that Obama's DOJ and FBI dressed that Trump Dossier up as counter intelligence to get FISA Warrants on the Trump Campaign and Transition Team the **** is going to hit the fan. All the phone conversations they were spying on and all the Americans they were unmasking in the process. Tsk Tsk. Opposition research paid for by the Clinton Campaign and DNC, that was gathered by a foreign ex British spy using Russian operatives tight with the Kremlin as sources not only reeks of hypocrisy but absolute abuse and the biggest scandal this country has ever seen. It is going to make Watergate look like child's play.
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Since when is gathering evidence of collusion and turning it over to the CIA a crime? Several of Steele's Russian INFORMERS lost their lives because of the dossier when the info was revealed. There is no evidence whatsoever that any part of the dossier came from or was approved by the Russian Govt. unlike Trump's people who were even told that was the case.
 
MovingPictures said:
I guess you haven't been paying attention to recent revelations that it wasn't the Steele report that triggered the FBI investigation, but George Papadopoulos and his drunken bragging in a London bar with Australian diplomats, whom reported his statements of his knowledge of the Kremlin having stolen emails on the DNC/Clinton.

I know you won't admit you (as well other conservatives) were wrong about your belief that the Steele report was the basis for the investigation. Conservatives have a knack for continuing to spread lies long after they are exposed, so I don't expect this to be any different.

It's becoming very clear though that officials in the Trump campaign were aware of Russian meddling in the election, and were privy to knowledge that even the FBI was unaware of. That points to either the Trump campaign being privy to a conspiracy to undermine a federal election, or participants themselves. Either way it's easily the highest criminal offense this country has ever seen in high office.

There will be more people indicted for their part in this conspiracy.
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And again you like others are not focusing on the Trump Dossier and how Obama's DOJ and FBI handled it.

That isn't part of Mueller's investigation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So while you wait with bated breath for Mueller to take down Trump, Happy New Year.
 
azgreg said:
Examples?
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The leaks are a gigantic example.

Acquisition of the GSA documents without defense notification, any credence lent to the dossier, number of conflicts of interest within the team, refusal to answer congressional oversight regarding Strozk---just off the top of my head.
 
Jetboogieman said:
When you're a Trump supporter and you haven't talked about FISA warrants in 10 minutes...

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Trumpsters are just glad that it looks like the damn is fixing to bust for FBI,Hillery,Obama. It’s just a wonderful new year, reminds me of the joy we had election night.


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OpportunityCost said:
The leaks are a gigantic example.

Acquisition of the GSA documents without defense notification, any credence lent to the dossier, number of conflicts of interest within the team, refusal to answer congressional oversight regarding Strozk---just off the top of my head.
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There is zero evidence I'm aware of that Mueller obtained the emails illegally or is the source of any leaks. Parts of the dossier have been corroborated. As for conflict of interest, it's been an allegation since the beginning but nothing has come of it. As to the Strozk questions, I don't know much about them so i won't make a comment.
 
vesper said:
And again you like others are not focusing on the Trump Dossier and how Obama's DOJ and FBI handled it.

That isn't part of Mueller's investigation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So while you wait with bated breath for Mueller to take down Trump, Happy New Year.
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Since the dossier contained allegations about Russians meddling in the election how can it not be part of Mueller's investigation? Was Monica's dress part of Whitewater?
 
MrShangles said:
Trumpsters are just glad that it looks like the damn is fixing to bust for FBI,Hillery,Obama. It’s just a wonderful new year, reminds me of the joy we had election night.


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And you are proof that wishful thinking has no bounds. Happy "no more Trump" year to you.
 
iguanaman said:
Since the dossier contained allegations about Russians meddling in the election how can it not be part of Mueller's investigation? Was Monica's dress part of Whitewater?
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Exactly. It only requires a single line of connection to become very much part of Mueller's investigation. I am not sure why so many people who seem to be internet experts on the investigation process don't understand this.
 
iguanaman said:
Since when is gathering evidence of collusion and turning it over to the CIA a crime? Several of Steele's Russian INFORMERS lost their lives because of the dossier when the info was revealed. There is no evidence whatsoever that any part of the dossier came from or was approved by the Russian Govt. unlike Trump's people who were even told that was the case.
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What we have to keep in mind here is that Trump supporters are living in Bizarro World currently. FBI is bad, lying President is good, turning over evidence of possible collusion with a hostile foreign entity is bad, etc. It's kind of like when a person gets arrested for selling crack, and they blame the cop for catching them.

I have never seen such hive-mind mentality as is being demonstrated right now by Trump supporters. All you have to do is speak a single critical thing about the man and you get pounced on. If you came up with a video of Trump killing a small child you would probably be branded a dirty snitch who had no business filming Trump for any reason and therefore your evidence doesn't count and also we're going to burn your house down. It's insane.
 
RetiredUSN said:
If it is true, then Trump is right about the FBI.
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And he was right that the Obama administration did order a wiretap of some aspect of his campaign and/or Trump Tower, something the media and leftwingers have repeated claimed that the President made up and lied about in one of the earlier more controversial tweets.
 
I would say the dossier led to expanded wiretapping either directly or indirectly of Trump campaign personnel - perhaps even Trump himself. Maybe there was something in the dossier that tied into other ongoing surveillance efforts federal agencies were investigating. Who knows...

We've already established that the FISA warrants were legal. To me, until Sen. Graham shares more specifics of what he knows he's just being a :spin: master - something he's very good at.
 
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