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Melania Trump Orders Removal of Near-200-Year-Old Tree From White House [W:451]

The care of the Whitehouse and grounds is the purview of the First Lady. Tradition cemented in a trust.

Title to the Whitehouse and Grounds is not in the name of the American people or the American government. The Blair family of Virginia were the original owners of the property, donated it for the presidential residence, in a trust to be held in perpetuity by the sitting First Lady. Edith Kermit Carow Roosevelt, Teddy's second wife, transferred the trust to the newly formed National Parks Dept. with approval of the Blair family. The NPD has traditionally kept the First Ladies as Primary Trustee for the trust.

Blair House is across the street from the Whitehouse, built almost simultaneously. After a fire in the West Wing during the last year of the Hoover administration, and the complete subsequent gutting of the Whitehouse during Truman's administration, led to Truman and his family residing at Blair House during most of his administration. Today, because of poor maintenance policies since the Eisenhower administration, Trump is considering gutting the Whitehouse again. The structure is vermin ridden, a fire hazard and general safety hazard, as well as having out of date wiring and communications, along with security issues. This time he believes the rebuilding can be accomplished in less than six months. With his history as a real property developer, there is no reason to doubt him. His developer reputation was always of doing champagne work under budget and ahead of schedule. One of the main reasons he was popular with investors. The National Parks Dept. has made a budgetary request to the Dept. of Interior, which in turn has made a request of Congress for a 2019 inclusion in the national budget. Estimated construction costs of $82 mil. That's about considerably less than it would cost me to build a similar sized house, excluding land costs, and particular Whitehouse needs, than I would spend for new construction. In the days of billion $ mansions, a modest request. The plan calls for a reduction from 132 rooms to 96 rooms, removal of all furnishings held together with scotch tape, costing more to restore than worth.

A recently built Long Island NY mansion with 82 rooms and two 7,000 sq ft guest cottages was recently built at a cost of $710 mil. It has been discretely listed for sale at $1.2 bil, expected to sell for $1.1 bil including the land on the Gold Coast. It may sell for more as there has been an active expression of interest.

It seems the sitting idiot is not the First Ladies or the Presidents who have lived and live in the Whitehouse, but a specific ranting citizen who doesn't know the history of the Whitehouse from Shinola.

FFS now you are just making up ****. I do not know where you got that line of crap but is a bunch of BS. In case you didnt know both Maryland and Virginia gave land for the new capital. The Blair house wasnt built until long after the White House was built. The Blairs did not donate anything they sold the house. And the Blairs certainly didnt donate the land or any of that BS that you said. WTF is wrong with you?

Anyways; the position of the First Lady is not an elected one and carries only ceremonial duties.
 
The ignorant witch is too stupid to show respect.

Seeing as she is going with the recommendations of the experts it would appear that she isn’t the ignorant one.
 
The Goebbels reference was specific to political propaganda, and not Nazi propaganda, and what potential dangers lie ahead when we accept political propaganda as the norm and acceptable.

Except we were talking about biased news reporting, not state controlled media who made nazi propaganda. You cannot invoke Goebbels and get away with calling it "political propaganda" when it is nazi propaganda. And it all has nothing to do with biased news reporting

"barely reporting the facts is not going to sell newspapers"

What sells newspapers is sensationalistic and titillating stories, the kind you get in supermarket gossip rags. Come to think of it, the US 'news' media isn't all that far away from that, with their gleeful reporting of stories only supported by anonymous, unconfirmed and single sources, just as long as the story is sensational and titillating enough.

The news media is failing in its part of the social contract, if you ask me, which is to inform, to speak truth to power, and to serve as a conduit of keeping tabs on what the government is up to.

No, the news that sells is reporting news in a way that satisfies your reading public/watching public.

And truth sadly has become subjective also. The truth in the minds of a rural red state person is very different than the truth of someone living in a big city in a blue state.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/melania-trump-orders-removal-near-145141513.html


Nothing is sacred. I would build a stone support for it. A wall to keep the tree up. This tree is 200 years old!!! I guess nothing is sacred....
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All things come to an end.

So what if it's 200 years old. It's only sacred to a tree-worshipper!
Do we keep dead people stuffed and propped around, who'd lived longer than usual?


How does the tree looks if it's being propped? Something natural, artificially propped!

Take lots of photos of it, and make a meaningful gesture like planting a new one (from this old three).
Make something out of the old tree.
 
I have something to say to all of the people who somehow believe that this is some sort of word shattering issue.

Somewhere in the world, there is a tree that is working really hard. So people like those that care about this crap, can have air to breath. So now I want all of you to get out of your seat, step away from your computer and walk outside to the nearest tree you can find.

Then I want you all to ****ing apologize for putting its efforts to waste.
 
So we are supposed to be upset because a tree, which typically only lives between 80 and 120 years is to be cut down at 200 years old?

I'm going to be crying like a baby in about 2 hours when I fire up my table saw on a sweet piece of Mahogany.
 
Yeah it is sad. I was reading through the comments that one said she can't even speak English. Her English is just fine and she speaks several other languages.
She speaks with an accent. So what! So did my grandparents.

Truth is that everyone speaks with an accent. I would if the one claiming she does not speak english can speak any of the other languages she speaks without an American accent. The American accent stands out everywhere, even in nations where english is the native language.
 
Except we were talking about biased news reporting, not state controlled media who made nazi propaganda. You cannot invoke Goebbels and get away with calling it "political propaganda" when it is nazi propaganda. And it all has nothing to do with biased news reporting

OK. Maybe a bad example then (if not the state controlling the media, corporations?)
But still, unbounded propaganda that takes hold and is accepted is not a good thing, as we have historically seen.

No, the news that sells is reporting news in a way that satisfies your reading public/watching public.

Agreed, but which has become salacious and sensational. Worst decision ever made was to have news departments compete on ratings.

And truth sadly has become subjective also. The truth in the minds of a rural red state person is very different than the truth of someone living in a big city in a blue state.

Not really the 'rural' red state (a misnomer really, even red states have big cities) fault when the big city blue states' left goes off into the far left field. If you look at a county election map of the US you see the bi-coastal thin blue strip on either side of a large red field that has some dots of blue.
 
I've been reading a few of these posts about Melania's English, and it's funny how these Leftists keep bringing it up. She's speaks English than what many people on here, regardless of ideology (although I would so more so than the Left). Then, they make fun of her accent when she speaks. Is this what you guys really have to stoop down to? You guys get upset whenever we bring up that they should learn English and use it when at work or in public, and we don't even make fun of how they sound. We've given options on phones to where instead of speaking English, they can speak another language. Melania is way ahead of all that now because she knows her English well and speaks it fluidly. Again, I really don't understand what the hatred against her is, other than she's married to Trump, and that's it. Otherwise, had it been a Democrat she was married to and she was still getting attacked viciously, you would be calling for those people's heads. It's petty, pathetic, and immature. Unless if these are the ONLY things the Left is now going to be remembered for in the history books, you guys need to clean up your act, and stop worrying about a dead tree and the way FLOTUS speaks (especially when she has done nothing to even provoke controversy).
 
So we are supposed to be upset because a tree, which typically only lives between 80 and 120 years is to be cut down at 200 years old?

If you are a hyper-partisan then yes, otherwise you may go on with your normal life
 
I'm going to be crying like a baby in about 2 hours when I fire up my table saw on a sweet piece of Mahogany.

Well damn. They will have a full meltdown when I clear well over a dozen acers of black walnut here in a few years.
 
Once it gets past a certain point, it's a safety hazard. Melania based the decision on professional advice.

The corporate state giveth and the corporate state taketh away via "professional advice".
 
She speaks English.... And other languages as well.

And you obviously can't given you are going on about Transylvania.

That is the nicest plastic surgery work we've had in a first lady.
 
OK. Maybe a bad example then (if not the state controlling the media, corporations?)
But still, unbounded propaganda that takes hold and is accepted is not a good thing, as we have historically seen.

But media propaganda is all around, on both sides of the political universe. Breitbart, Fox news and all the other right wing media outlets (including facebook right wing media posts which is straight up propaganda too). And the liberal media/non conservative media does the same thing but let us be honest, moderates and liberals/democrats are a much bigger group than straight up die hard conservatives who just watch Fox news/read breitbart and listen to right wing talk radio. Because there is a lot of propaganda on those too.

Agreed, but which has become salacious and sensational. Worst decision ever made was to have news departments compete on ratings.

Of course it has, but let's be honest. Obama and Bush were boring compared to the thrice married, multiple bankruptcy, reality TV president. His whole life has been salacious and sensational so why would his presidency be any different?

Not really the 'rural' red state (a misnomer really, even red states have big cities) fault when the big city blue states' left goes off into the far left field. If you look at a county election map of the US you see the bi-coastal thin blue strip on either side of a large red field that has some dots of blue.

Yes, but in big cities in red states it is not that conservative as in the rural areas where republicans get a lot of their votes.
 
So you honestly think there is ZERO profit in Trump casting out to the science world "We got a historic tree here that could use some sprucing. This tree is dying and I see it as a huge chance to bring spotlights to the arbolist sector. Any hydroponic scientist or bonsai specialist or special tree hippy wizards please apply and volunteer. I will give huge kudos to any scientist who figures out a way to make this tree live" Then even if they fail it still generates positive media.

I like how this page can be full of page after page of mocking. But i say like 3 truthful posts to some christians and i get shut down.
 
She speaks English.... And other languages as well.

And you obviously can't given you are going on about Transylvania.

Funny to see you trump lovers rush to Melanie's defense..Like she would care about any of you...She is a foreign trophy wife...Living in a gilded cage
 
Funny to see you trump lovers rush to Melanie's defense..Like she would care about any of you...She is a foreign trophy wife...Living in a gilded cage

Funny to see you trump haters rush to malign Melania with lies and ignorant claims..Like anyone would care about the BS you pedal.. She is the First Lady of the US and you are lying about her... Living in a gilded double wide trailer?
 
So you honestly think there is ZERO profit in Trump casting out to the science world "We got a historic tree here that could use some sprucing. This tree is dying and I see it as a huge chance to bring spotlights to the arbolist sector. Any hydroponic scientist or bonsai specialist or special tree hippy wizards please apply and volunteer. I will give huge kudos to any scientist who figures out a way to make this tree live" Then even if they fail it still generates positive media.

I like how this page can be full of page after page of mocking. But i say like 3 truthful posts to some christians and i get shut down.

??????????????????

You whined about Melania Trump reportedly makinge the decision to have it removed after tree specialists determined “the overall architecture and structure of the tree is greatly compromised,”
 
Funny to see you trump haters rush to malign Melania with lies and ignorant claims..Like anyone would care about the BS you pedal.. She is the First Lady of the US and you are lying about her... Living in a gilded double wide trailer?

You seem to care...Responding to defend this Transylvanian trophy wife...She let herself be sold to the highest bidder....trump
 
FFS now you are just making up ****. I do not know where you got that line of crap but is a bunch of BS. In case you didnt know both Maryland and Virginia gave land for the new capital. The Blair house wasnt built until long after the White House was built. The Blairs did not donate anything they sold the house. And the Blairs certainly didnt donate the land or any of that BS that you said. WTF is wrong with you?

Anyways; the position of the First Lady is not an elected one and carries only ceremonial duties.

It's all true. Virginia and Maryland did donate land for the Capital, almost all of it swamp and wetlands, but the Blair's owned the parcels for the Whitehouse grounds. Washington DC would empty come summers because of the mosquitos and malaria. Blair House was replaced in 1836 as a residence for Joseph Lovell, eighth Surgeon General of the United States Army. Not even states can donate what they don't own. The original Blair House was burned to the ground by the British who burned the Whitehouse during the War of 1812. A generation would pass before the Blair's rebuilt Blair House. After the Lovell family left Blair House, part of the Blair family moved in. It was never sold, conveyed only by Last Wills until it was conveyed as the Presidential guest house in 1942 for $1. Harold T. Simmons, current Curator of Blair House, is descended from the Blair family. Meanwhile the trust is still active, and the trust and property has never been deeded to the American people or Government. The National Parks Dept. is still the primary Trustee. You were caught with your pants down.

Everyone is aware no First Lady was ever elected as First Lady. Have any other obvious wisdom to offer? Not all First Lady duties are ceremonial, check your history. Various departments of the US Government and Congress have appointed specific duties to different First Ladies, never with a salary. Each and every First Lady who resided in the Whitehouse has stood as the Hostess of the House. So what?

I recognize you. I recognize a south Texas bag of wind, Freedom4All.
 
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I've been reading a few of these posts about Melania's English, and it's funny how these Leftists keep bringing it up. She's speaks English than what many people on here, regardless of ideology (although I would so more so than the Left). Then, they make fun of her accent when she speaks. Is this what you guys really have to stoop down to? You guys get upset whenever we bring up that they should learn English and use it when at work or in public, and we don't even make fun of how they sound. We've given options on phones to where instead of speaking English, they can speak another language. Melania is way ahead of all that now because she knows her English well and speaks it fluidly. Again, I really don't understand what the hatred against her is, other than she's married to Trump, and that's it. Otherwise, had it been a Democrat she was married to and she was still getting attacked viciously, you would be calling for those people's heads. It's petty, pathetic, and immature. Unless if these are the ONLY things the Left is now going to be remembered for in the history books, you guys need to clean up your act, and stop worrying about a dead tree and the way FLOTUS speaks (especially when she has done nothing to even provoke controversy).

Especially when the left considered any criticism of Hillary as misogyny.
 
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