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Green Party's Jill Stein targeted by Russia probe

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Wow. This vilification of all things Russian needs to stop. It's gotten out of control. Take a look at this:

McCarthy-Style Targeting of Jill Stein Proves Democrats Have Truly Lost The Plot

ThinkProgress, which bills itself as a “progressive” platform has devoted an article to Stein’s “pro-Kremlin talking points” and detailed a list of her “odd views” — some of which include not loving NATO, not hating Julian Assange, not hating RT and not hating Russia in general. Those, of course, are all big no-nos if you want to avoid a congressional investigation these days.
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That’s the kind of farcical and unserious coverage third-party candidates receive in the US — and the journalists who do the mocking, treating candidates like Stein as an amusing sideshow, are very often the same journalists who pretend to care deeply about the lack of fair coverage which tiny opposition movements receive in countries like Russia.

This is a witch hunt. It is neo-McCarthyism, plain and simple. The people who are outright calling Stein a Russian agent are making a complete mockery of themselves and of the American political process — and they genuinely appear to have no idea. One almost feels a sense of second-hand embarrassment for them. With the frenzy around Jill Stein, they have managed to spin a scandal out of nothing, because, for lack of a better word, they’re butthurt that their candidate didn’t win.
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I feel like what Dave Fagan said to me is more relevant here:

It's really simple. The Military Industrial Corporate Complex is the biggest business in the Nation. It dwarfs the Auto Industry. The MIC has industries in every state and politicians are always trying to keep Military Offense contracts flowing in their jurisdictions. First, you need to create a demand for the products. That'd be marketing. Create chaos, instability, insurrection, revolution and wars wherever possible. Manufacture bogeymen as "devils in the flesh," or in the MSM a/k/a Putin/Russia, China/Xi, etc. That creates more demand for weapons. Without wars, you don't have replacement orders, so concentrate on those wars. Just Business, don't ya' know? "The business of America is business." "War is good business, and business is good." Those are not homilies, but credos. That's what America is about, but the taxpayers don't know it, and don't want to believe it, because it is un-American. Could it's success be caused by a manipulable MSM that supports the war-making agenda? Of course, only five owners. That's where mind bending begins and ends. Written and managed by the CIA, etc. Now, we have a retrosaur president that thinks if the laws are adjusted to the successful (for Corporations) early 1900s without regulation and no acknowledgement of long term liability, then we will be great again. The rich will get richer and if the "business of America is business," then Trump is correct and willing to sacrifice the Planet to prove it. Keeeerissst, we need help.
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Essentially, we have manufactured enemies because it's business. It may be political business or economic business, but it's business all the same.
 
Also, I didn't know where else to put this. I assume that news that isn't covered in the mainstream media goes here, right? Sorry, still new to this whole thing.
 
Jill Stein seems like a nut job....Wouldn't surprise me she reached out to Russia along with the goons working with trump
 
The Lurker said:
Wow. This vilification of all things Russian needs to stop. It's gotten out of control. Take a look at this:

McCarthy-Style Targeting of Jill Stein Proves Democrats Have Truly Lost The Plot





I feel like what Dave Fagan said to me is more relevant here:



Essentially, we have manufactured enemies because it's business. It may be political business or economic business, but it's business all the same.
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WOW way to go with the conspiracy theories - good luck with that.
 
The Lurker said:
Wow. This vilification of all things Russian needs to stop. It's gotten out of control. Take a look at this:

McCarthy-Style Targeting of Jill Stein Proves Democrats Have Truly Lost The Plot





I feel like what Dave Fagan said to me is more relevant here:



Essentially, we have manufactured enemies because it's business. It may be political business or economic business, but it's business all the same.
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Two of the major third parties in our country have been in bed with the Russians for years. Libertarians and The Green Party. This is not a secret but only to their blind followers.
 
The Lurker said:
I'm not a follower of either and even I know that they're innocent.

There are many issues you can attack Trump on. Russia isn't one of them.

See my previous thread:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/ron-paul-is-putins-new-best-friend/439533/

https://www.redstate.com/rs_insider...se-contractors-spout-anti-libertarian-drivel/

I'm not talking about Trump here. :roll:
 
Saladin4 said:
I remember a sweating screaming trump "I love WikiLeaks".....trump and his goons colluded with Russia...of that...I have NO doubt
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You're talking about one guy.
 
The Lurker said:
Wow. This vilification of all things Russian needs to stop. It's gotten out of control. Take a look at this:

McCarthy-Style Targeting of Jill Stein Proves Democrats Have Truly Lost The Plot





I feel like what Dave Fagan said to me is more relevant here:



Essentially, we have manufactured enemies because it's business. It may be political business or economic business, but it's business all the same.
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Funny. I saw her interview on Tucker Carlson. She was at a banquet with lots of other alphabet soup groups. Putin came in, sat at the table, shook some hands and left. There was no interpreter, so there was no dialogue. Her crime? Siphoning votes away from Hillary in the election.

Oddly guess who else was at that table - Michael Flynn.

I think we are cominf to that point in out dialogue where reason dies.
 
The Lurker said:
Uh, Ron Paul is still very much a libertarian. And where do the two articles show that Ron Paul was following what the Kremlin was saying?
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Can you follow my first post? Then read carefully. I said the Green Party and the Libertarians are in bed with the Russians. These two articles show Ron Paul's Pro-Russian stances.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Can you follow my first post? Then read carefully. I said the Green Party and the Libertarians are in bed with the Russians. These two articles show Ron Paul's Pro-Russian stances.
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I did read carefully. Even if Ron Paul had pro-Russian stances, what of it? It's a free country and there's nothing showing that he's taking his orders from Vladimir Putin.
 
The Lurker said:
I did read carefully. Even if Ron Paul had pro-Russian stances, what of it? It's a free country and there's nothing showing that he's taking his orders from Vladimir Putin.
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Being in bed with Russians does not necessarily mean directly with Putin. Although if you go on RT you automatically are.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Being in bed with Russians does not necessarily mean directly with Putin. Although if you go on RT you automatically are.
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Uh, no you're not. And being in bed with Russians doesn't mean you're in bed with the Kremlin. This whole thing sounds like Russophobia.
 
The Lurker said:
Uh, no you're not. And being in bed with Russians doesn't mean you're in bed with the Kremlin. This whole thing sounds like Russophobia.
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RT is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
RT is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.
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And being apart of that program doesn't mean that you're taking orders from the Kremlin.
 
The Lurker said:
And being apart of that program doesn't mean that you're taking orders from the Kremlin.
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It's a network. If you go on there you would be getting paid by them because interests align. You are really bad at this.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It's a network. If you go on there you would be getting paid by them because interests align. You are really bad at this.
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You're being rude right now.

And that doesn't automatically mean that you answer to Putin.
 
Saladin4 said:
I remember a sweating screaming trump "I love WikiLeaks".....trump and his goons colluded with Russia...of that...I have NO doubt
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Collusion is not a crime but Conspiracy against the United States is.

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
US Code

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
 
Many politicians go on CNN or Fox News, but that doesn't mean that they bow down to Rupert Murdoch or whoever owns CNN.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Can you follow my first post? Then read carefully. I said the Green Party and the Libertarians are in bed with the Russians. These two articles show Ron Paul's Pro-Russian stances.
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OMG, the GP and the LP are in bed with the Russians?!?!? Yikes, I hope your wife is not also in bed with the Russians! Or the Governor of your state!!! Holy Cow, the entire country must be in bed with the Russians. :lamo
 
The Lurker said:
You should read the article that I posted in one of my threads. It really shreds the whole "Russia-gate" nonsense apart.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
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Thanks for that fine article. I've been on that bandwagon for about a year. Whistleblowers like Binney and Drake and Kiriakou and Snowden and Manning are the heroes today.

That so many otherwise intelligent people, many friends of mine here in the real world, buy into the nonsense of Russiagate is a sad comment on how well indoctrinated the American electorate is.
 
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